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Well, you refer to New Testament passages without explaining and without comparing corresponding Mormon doctrine.....and you sense there is no conflict with Mormon doctrine. I don’t see any reference to the three heavens at all in 1 Corinthians 15.. Perhaps you do, but if you do, that is a really long stretch. Another clear example of the perils of eisegesis.

Read whatever you want into the NT scriptures to justify a Mormonism heresy.....eisegesis?....... yep.

The site “MormonWiki” has an article on the Mormon plan of salvation. Clearly in conflict with NT doctrine. But, you may not see it.

I suspect the reason you see no conflict between Mormon doctrine and NT doctrine..... “as you understand it”... is that you do not understand NT doctrine.

But, carry on...

Mine said I was a great guy and wonderful lover before we got married.

He sounds like Obama.

Thanks. FAIL on my part

Yep. Hes right. He only has to believe the bible to be a Christian and go to Heaven.

Contradictions abound.

http://mit.irr.org/contradictions-between-book-of-mormon-and-bible

Brennan.

Do we have to ask forgiveness of those sins?
Do we have to turn from and repent of those sins?

Does adding to or taking from Gods word in the Bible constitute sin?

Can one continue doing it and be forgiven if they dont repent and turn from that sin?

Does Satan get a pass because he believes in Christ?.

Your 2 cents worth is worth a ticket to eternity in heaven.

Thanks for posting, Ringman. Very interesting. Oh, and it's great to see you hanging out here again!

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I don’t have any animosity towards Mormons and part of what makes this country so great is that we can all choose to believe in God or choose not to believe in God. Mormons, like Catholics, Lutherans, Baptist’s, Hindus, etc, etc are free to preach whatever doctrine they want and they can spread all the dogma that they want. As long as they’re not hurting or abusing anyone and that women and children aren’t harmed then they’re free to worship and believe whatever they want, no matter how goofy or crazy. 😉. They can dance with snakes and wear special underwear for all I care. 😂

I notice often that there’s more angst caused by those that focus on minutiae and they lose sight of the bigger picture. Christ died for my sins and I thank him for it everyday. I ask for guidance, patience, tolerance and countless other things that I need to be better at, if I intentionally disparage another “Christian” faith then my prayers aren’t sincere. I’m human and I fail, often, but I try to learn from my failures and with the guidance that Christ offers I find I’m constantly doing course corrections because my relationship with my Lord and Savior is something that I’m very sincere about.

It’s my long winded way of saying that I’m cool with whatever denomination you are or you aren’t, if you’re a Mormon, Hindu, Buddhist, etc (not goatfucking Muslims.....I still hate those SOB’s and it’s NOT because of their religion) then enjoy life and live a life of service to others in whatever capacity you can.....

Hating someone solely based upon their religion is like hating someone based solely on their skin color, ignorant.

Aces, I agree.

I have to wonder sometimes at the animosity towards Mormons (or other faiths), shown by fellow Christians. Seems to me in these troubled times, it'd be better to find common ground with each other, rather than pick apart and ostracize. But hey, religion has that effect on people.

So, me in a nutshell:
I love my little family, care for them, pray with them.
We thank God every night for his Son's atoning sacrifice for mankind.
Second to that, I work hard to provide for my family.
After that, I love to hunt and shoot (I shoot a 270win AND a 6.5 Creedmoor).
I help as many people as I can to be successful on hunts, to help build their passion for the outdoors and pursuit of the critters I love.

But alas, I'm an LDS Mormon, so let's focus on our differences (real, perceived, or purposefully misrepresented) in theology, and forget all about what we have in common. Even though there's a whole world out there that hates what we all love. (shaking my head)

NT vs Book of M = Paul vs Joe. Both fell down and saw the light, claim Jesus came to them, their words and writings created churches. They are either right or wrong but have the same claim.

I always figured Christ didn't write anything to avoid this type of projection in his name. He came and gave us his life example because obviously man can't get it right regarding belief, the Holy spirit is our guide, not religions.

KISS at its best.

Kent

I like Mormons and have Mormon friends. I would share a campfire with a Mormon any day. But, based on my beliefs and Mormon theology, we are not the same religion.

The power is in the Holy Spirit that opens our minds to the written word.

Maybe this was already mentioned. I haven't read this whole thread and I won't enter this debate today. The original source is the book "Unveiling Grace" and was written by the mother of the boy mentioned above, who was the professor at BYU. I have read the book and heard much of the account from that boy (now man) in person. It's real, whether you agree with it or not.

It's also a good read.

Re; Apostles Creed and Athanasian Creed , ... did they actually become accepted/agreed upon by the Eastern orthodox like you claim?

maybe can you affirm your claim by telling when the eastern church officially recognized them.

As for the Nicene creed being accepted, its understandable since the vast majority of bishops in attendance were from the East.



Nicene creed (325) the one that came about as result of threats, intimidation, bribery, vote stacking,
and the emperor [who called it] exiling those who did not endorse it.

only for its composition to be altered [have parts of it omitted and new parts added] at the 2nd Ecumenical Council; 381.

Then at the 3rd council (Ephesus; 431) the original shakey ground 325 creed was reaffirmed and a law put in place
to prevent it being altered again.

Who would seriously invest their spiritual faith/belief in that sort of corrupted,contrived political agenda garbage?

Christianity has been a self-interest driven game of oneupmanship for two millennia and counting, ...[Constantine called the council
cause rival christians were constantly at each others throats and destabilizing the region he ruled]....Being free to believe or preach
what you want does not and will not prevent christians continually bashing christians who are 'different'.

i allus liked the way the catholics rolled the independent monastery type "christians" into the main group. they set them up as orders, or groups and allowed them to become 'sects' inside the mainstream church. it cut down on a lot of confusion, competition, and other difficult circumstances.

the variety of desert fathers "out there' were pretty diverse as i best understand it. but of course i didn't attend seminary, so what could i possibly know?