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Originally Posted by Prewar70
Like I've said all along, if somebody wants to launch a criminal investigation into the Biden's go for it, just don't be the POTUS and ask Ukraine to do it for you so you can get reelected. What an idiot.


Your stupidity knows no bounds.

The President asked for an investigation into a corrupt company known as Burisma.The dirty Bidens were never mentioned in this conversation.It certainly is within the scope of the head of the executive branch to request an investigation of any company.

Once again you failed in your knowledge about this call.I wouldn't expect anything less from a Demonrat/Commie/homo posing as a conservative.


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Substantively, not a good day for the President. Evidence is very muddled and more importantly no direct linkage to the President, but there will be Articles of Impeachment and the zoo will go over to the Senate where it will go nowhere.


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Originally Posted by Prewar70
Yup, you all have been preaching hearsay. Can't be true, because they heard it second and third hand. Now it's not hearsay, so he must be a liar. I can't believe how far people will go to support this loser.


A person who who is a Democrat operative and had never met Trump or spoken to him heard the phone call.

In that person's opinion, it was quid pro quo.

The two parties in the phone call have said it was not.

The summary of the transcripts show that there was no explicit quid pro quo (like there was with Biden)

The funds were released and there was no investigation.

That's the whole of the evidence at this point. If this makes it to the Senate where the rule of law, rather than mob rule prevails, it's going to get bounced in a hurry.

It is possible that people are supporting the rule of law rather than the person.

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Quid pro quo is what politics is. It's what politicians do. No free lunch.


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Ol’ Gordon doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool.


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Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).

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Originally Posted by Prewar70
Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).


So then Biden should expect the police at his door any minute? Trump didn't do anything of the sort.

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More, there's just not enough there for any kind of case against the President:
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Amb. Sondland: Ukraine quid pro quo based on 'my own personal guess'

As it should be, the ELECTORATE should decide this...


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Regurgitating lies from the fake news only proves that you're a Demonrat lying about your true political affiliation.

Now go kill yourself.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Ol’ Gordon doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool.

Nor does preww1.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Prewar70
Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).


So then Biden should expect the police at his door any minute? Trump didn't do anything of the sort.



Biden was there on official bipartisan US business, getting rid of a CORRUPT official, that was NOT investigating (including Burisma) corrupt corporations.
Biden in his OFFICIAL bipartisan US business wanted a official in there that would actually investigate corruption... INCLUDING Burisma!!!

If Biden where doing what you are claiming, he would want the corrupt official kept in office, so he would still not investigate Burisma.


Not sure why this is difficult to understand?


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Originally Posted by Prewar70
Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).


How is an investigation a thing of value when you don't know the outcome? Imagine this. Trump asks for an investigation, it shows Biden was above board in all his actions, that actually backfires on Trump. I am of the opinion that an investigation where the outcome is unknown has no political value one way or another So that's just one legal hurdle.

Here's another. If it is accepted that an investigation, the results of which are not known, is a thing of value, you have to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump did it for political reasons.

That is where the pesky treaty comes into play. He can always point to it and say, this is why I did it. I was duty bound to do so.

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You swallowed all of the Demonrats/fake news lies hook,line and sinker.LOL


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Originally Posted by Northman
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Originally Posted by Prewar70
Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).


So then Biden should expect the police at his door any minute? Trump didn't do anything of the sort.



Biden was there on official bipartisan US business, getting rid of a CORRUPT official, that was NOT investigating (including Burisma) corrupt corporations.
Biden in his OFFICIAL bipartisan US business wanted a official in there that would actually investigate corruption... INCLUDING Burisma!!!

If Biden where doing what you are claiming, he would want the corrupt official kept in office, so he would still not investigate Burisma.


Not sure why this is difficult to understand?


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How is Trump asking for an investigation not bipartisan? Do we not all want to know the truth?

On one hand it sounds like you are glad they got rid of a prosecutor who was not investigating, then complaining that we tried to get the new one to investigate. This is one tough shell game to follow.

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Originally Posted by Northman
Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by Prewar70
Quid pro quo, means this for that. I'll send you the military aid, once you announce an investigation, a "favor." Trump asked for it, because he directly benefits from it. It helps his reelection campaign if his opponent is under investigation. Hopefully we can all see that. Quid pro quo isn't illegal in and of itself, the US does it all the time. But what Trump was asking interferes in the US's political process. SO forget about quid pro quo, Trump solicited help from a foreign nation. He explicitly did it, requesting that Zelensky look into the Bidens and the debunked conspiracy theory that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election. It is accepted by the entire intelligence community that Russia was behind it. SO regardless of quid pro quo, it is illegal for a candidate or campaign to "solicit" help from a foreign gov't, whether it's money or something else of value. Bribery is also illegal, and grounds for impeachment. "specific intent to give or receive something of value (Biden investigation) in exchange for an official act (meeting at WH, military aide).


So then Biden should expect the police at his door any minute? Trump didn't do anything of the sort.



Biden was there on official bipartisan US business, getting rid of a CORRUPT official, that was NOT investigating (including Burisma) corrupt corporations.
Biden in his OFFICIAL bipartisan US business wanted a official in there that would actually investigate corruption... INCLUDING Burisma!!!

If Biden where doing what you are claiming, he would want the corrupt official kept in office, so he would still not investigate Burisma.


Not sure why this is difficult to understand?


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ThAn you're not too sharp either (which we are acutely aware of). Biden was there to get our tax money to them back in his pockets as he did getting his brother a $1.5 billion deal out of Iran several years ago.

I agree, you're too stupid to be a teacher or to be able to add 2 and 3 and connect the dots.

Remind us how the dims dont want our guns as you lied to us years ago.


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Poor Walt.


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Originally Posted by ironbender
Ol’ Gordon doesn’t seem to be the sharpest tool.

The dear leader seems to choose those types.


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard


How is Trump asking for an investigation not bipartisan? Do we not all want to know the truth?

On one hand it sounds like you are glad they got rid of a prosecutor who was not investigating, then complaining that we tried to get the new one to investigate. This is one tough shell game to follow.



So.. A Republican President, wants to investigate his #1 Political opponent of the Democratic Party would in what world be bipartisan.


He could just drop hints in the press... and it blow up anyway.

He instead used Congressional bipartisan approved Military aid, to get another country to investigate his main political opponent in the Democratic Party..

Why not call FBI... they would do it for him.


Next Democratic President should just get China and Russia to investigate the entire Republican Party, so they could use that information in every congressional and senate elections the next 10 years... Totally bipartisan...


In return they could just give them the Treasonous South as payments.

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Has anyone shown that any laws have been broken????????????????? What laws?????????????????

Where's the "high crime"?

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