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Originally Posted by dla
Bullets just aren't moving fast enough to reliably expand. They drill small holes in and out. Too much game wounded and lost when the shots get much past 200.

as long as the vitals are damaged the size of entry and exit have almost nothing to do with death. Maybe how long, like it adds a few minutes or seconds but thats it.

I STRIVE that all our deer are caliber entry and small fingernail exit and they go down just fine to astonishing ranges.

If you are of the I have to shoulder shoot and demand a bang flop for whatever reason then picking a Grendel knowing its a slower round was stupid.

All that said the 6x6.8 isn't fast with an 85 grain and its results have been the same also. And results same from nephews 6.8 and X39. They just don't kill like 257 wtby speed but I've killed past 500 with most of the above without issue.


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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
DLA is the same clown who says Glocks are garbage and Keltecs are the only way to roll, along with classics like if you are not shooting full power loads in your .44 magnum all the time, you are not a real man and should buy a smaller gun. Mid range loads are for women. All true gems. crazy

Some people open their mouths and remove all doubt.

Bill Alexander brought 6.5 G rifles out to a group of us in the 2000s, in hopes of securing a potential contract from our organization. They were pretty easy to make hits at rather extended distances with. Ballistics wise it is a pretty impressive cartridge from a standard AR platform. I would not want to be anywhere within 750 yards or so of a properly trained individual who had a 6.5 G, knew his dope, and I was an adversary.

It probably is a crap cartridge in the hands of DLA though.

In the hands of a capable shooter, I would have no issue taking shots on average deer out to 350-375 provided the environmental factors were favorable.


Dang wish I'd read this before I typed a reply... I'd have saved my time knowing DLA is an idiot then.


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Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
DLA is the same clown who says Glocks are garbage and Keltecs are the only way to roll, along with classics like if you are not shooting full power loads in your .44 magnum all the time, you are not a real man and should buy a smaller gun. Mid range loads are for women. All true gems. crazy

Some people open their mouths and remove all doubt.

Bill Alexander brought 6.5 G rifles out to a group of us in the 2000s, in hopes of securing a potential contract from our organization. They were pretty easy to make hits at rather extended distances with. Ballistics wise it is a pretty impressive cartridge from a standard AR platform. I would not want to be anywhere within 750 yards or so of a properly trained individual who had a 6.5 G, knew his dope, and I was an adversary.

It probably is a crap cartridge in the hands of DLA though.

In the hands of a capable shooter, I would have no issue taking shots on average deer out to 350-375 provided the environmental factors were favorable.


Dang wish I'd read this before I typed a reply... I'd have saved my time knowing DLA is an idiot then.



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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
DLA is the same clown who says Glocks are garbage and Keltecs are the only way to roll, along with classics like if you are not shooting full power loads in your .44 magnum all the time, you are not a real man and should buy a smaller gun. Mid range loads are for women. All true gems. crazy

Some people open their mouths and remove all doubt.

Bill Alexander brought 6.5 G rifles out to a group of us in the 2000s, in hopes of securing a potential contract from our organization. They were pretty easy to make hits at rather extended distances with. Ballistics wise it is a pretty impressive cartridge from a standard AR platform. I would not want to be anywhere within 750 yards or so of a properly trained individual who had a 6.5 G, knew his dope, and I was an adversary.

It probably is a crap cartridge in the hands of DLA though.

In the hands of a capable shooter, I would have no issue taking shots on average deer out to 350-375 provided the environmental factors were favorable.


Dang wish I'd read this before I typed a reply... I'd have saved my time knowing DLA is an idiot then.



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He's not just an idiot, he's and idiot troll.

Can't argue the facts so you and the tiny dick crowd throw stones.

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Originally Posted by dla
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by rost495
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush
DLA is the same clown who says Glocks are garbage and Keltecs are the only way to roll, along with classics like if you are not shooting full power loads in your .44 magnum all the time, you are not a real man and should buy a smaller gun. Mid range loads are for women. All true gems. crazy

Some people open their mouths and remove all doubt.

Bill Alexander brought 6.5 G rifles out to a group of us in the 2000s, in hopes of securing a potential contract from our organization. They were pretty easy to make hits at rather extended distances with. Ballistics wise it is a pretty impressive cartridge from a standard AR platform. I would not want to be anywhere within 750 yards or so of a properly trained individual who had a 6.5 G, knew his dope, and I was an adversary.

It probably is a crap cartridge in the hands of DLA though.

In the hands of a capable shooter, I would have no issue taking shots on average deer out to 350-375 provided the environmental factors were favorable.


Dang wish I'd read this before I typed a reply... I'd have saved my time knowing DLA is an idiot then.



Jeff,

He's not just an idiot, he's and idiot troll.

Can't argue the facts so you and the tiny dick crowd throw stones.


Says the troll who's never shot a 6.5 Gren.


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Originally Posted by rost495

as long as the vitals are damaged the size of entry and exit have almost nothing to do with death. Maybe how long, like it adds a few minutes or seconds but thats it.
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And that is the difference between tagging and losing an animal.

When the bullet is moving too slow for the stretch cavity to tear up tissue, the only killing mechanism is the bullet crushing tissue. A tiny bullet makes a tiny wound track, and animals can run a long, long ways.

The 6.5 Grendel is a shlt hunting cartride much past 200 yds.

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You are truly a dumb pluck if you believe that.

Kill deer pigs and javelina every year with well under 1200 fps rounds. Some as slow as 750 fps.

Even a 380 acp pistol.

Like anything else if the round is placed correctly, it does its job in a short distance. Typically 30-50 steps most deer we've taken.

I know a hard lead bullet isn't expanding much. And I know my 900 FPS whisper rounds always enter caliber size and exit about double that.

And this years foray into 6.5 Creedmoor its HARD to find entry holes. Exits our pinky finger nail size and thats MORE than enough to kill em, quickly enough and shortly enough and easy enough to find.

I'm sorry you don't understand how to find deer that have been shot.


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Originally Posted by dla

When the bullet drops below 2000-2200fps, it is going to pencil through like a target arrow. It might expand, but it isnt a huge bullet to start with. Kills slowly unless shot placement is perfect.
I get pink mist and lung chunks out the off side of a deer's chest at that velocity.


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Not agreeing with dla but so far my Grendel has not killed anything farther away than 200 yards mostly because I don't get shots even that far most of the time. At that it is a far better round for deer and pigs than the 223 though that round works pretty good with the right hits. My favorite load uses the 129 grain Hornady spire point going 2250 fps, this bullet being originally designed for the smaller WWII and WWI 6.5's opens pretty easily. I see no reason why it wouldn't work another 100 yards out if the right bullets are used. I believe the 6.5 G and the 6.8 SPC were designed as an improvement over the 5.56 for hunting the smaller big game species and they do this well.


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Finn Aagaard said something to the effect that "shot placement was 90% of killing power"

When you have a guy complaining that a cartridge is a POS past 200 yards, it is pretty indicative of his skills as a shooter and a hunter, rather than the cartridge.

Much like the old "The .308/30-06 is worthless for elk/big mule deer, I shot an elk right through the heart and it ran off and I never recovered it" stories.

Followed by "You need a such and such Magnum to kill big animals".





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He keeps mentioning 200 yards and 2000 fps, while much earlier in the thread I noted it'll keep a 100 grain Ballistic Tip at 2000 fps at 300 yards. What gives?

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Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush

When you have a guy complaining that a cartridge is a POS past 200 yards, it is pretty indicative of his skills as a shooter and a hunter, rather than the cartridge.


Agreed 100%, but - I seriously doubt dla has ever hunted with a Grendel, or anything else for that matter. Nothing he says about this or any other gun topic seems to indicate any actual experience; he's just going by stuff he's read and his own imagination.

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Originally Posted by Yondering
Originally Posted by Mackay_Sagebrush

When you have a guy complaining that a cartridge is a POS past 200 yards, it is pretty indicative of his skills as a shooter and a hunter, rather than the cartridge.


Agreed 100%, but - I seriously doubt dla has ever hunted with a Grendel, or anything else for that matter. Nothing he says about this or any other gun topic seems to indicate any actual experience; he's just going by stuff he's read and his own imagination.

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I think you have mental issues.


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You guys nailed it; I'm a clueless troll. Kel-Tec makes the best guns in the world and I voted for Hillary.
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Originally Posted by mathman
He keeps mentioning 200 yards and 2000 fps, while much earlier in the thread I noted it'll keep a 100 grain Ballistic Tip at 2000 fps at 300 yards. What gives?


Not to mention the figures I posted on the 129gr LRAB.

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Pretty obvious that some of you are far too stupid to question the fanboys stoking your egos.

The Grendel is an OK hunting cartridge for 200 yds. But it is not a good 300 yd hunting cartridge.

Too many people read ballistic tables and energy figures but don't understand killing mechanisms. You pick long skinny bullets to get the high BC, but you give up too much velocity.

The 6.5 Grendel is a shlt hunting cartridge past 200 yds.

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Originally Posted by dla
Pretty obvious that some of you are far too stupid to question the fanboys stoking your egos.The Grendel is an OK hunting cartridge for 200 yds. But it is not a good 300 yd hunting cartridge.Too many people read ballistic tables and energy figures but don't understand killing mechanisms. You pick long skinny bullets to get the high BC, but you give up too much velocity.The 6.5 Grendel is a shlt hunting cartridge past 200 yds.
I have limited experience with the Grendel but so far it seems to kill far better than you think it does based on math. I know arithmetic doesn't lie but some combinations of bullet, case, and powder seem to work better than the math says they will. I have a combination of .277 Win. power point loaded in a .270W at 2750 fps that works on game way better than a 7mm RM I used to use.


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