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Can anyone with Quickload run something for me?
H4350
22" Barrel
130 grain bullets
Make it for Sea Level if that matters
I had someone do this for me a few years back on one of the forums and for the life of me I cannot find it.
Thanks
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You need to be more specific. Are you asking for QL results for BOTH 6.5x55 and 6.5 Creedmoor with every 130 grain bullet in it's database?
Because there is no way anyone is going to run that, lol.
The more data you can provide, the better. Actual measurements of bullets (length) & cases (capacity) is important if you want anything resembling accurate results. QuickLOAD's default values are often a bit off (sometimes quite a bit off).
Cartridge:
Cartridge over all length:
Bullet touching/jammed into lands at C.O.A.L. (Y/N):
Bullet:
Measured bullet length:
Powder type & charge weight:
Case length:
Case water capacity (measured level to case mouth):
Barrel length:
Barrel twist rate:
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Thanks for clearing me up! I want to do a side by side comparison between the Creed and Sweed with H4350 over the span of charges from minimum to beyond max.
The purpose is to give as apple to apple comparison as possible for the two rounds. I am most curious how they perform at fills between 96-100%. Let me give it a whirl here.
COL 3.15 Swede 2.8 Creed
Case length 2.15 Swede 1.92 Creed
130 gr Nosler Accubond 2/1000 off the lands
Bullet length 1.32
Case capacity 57.9 Swede 52.5 Creed
Barrel 24" 8 twist in both.
If I have overlooked anything, just equalize it as much as possible between the two.
Thanks!
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Are you looking for SAAMI pressures on both rounds or are you hot-rodding the Swede to Creedmoor pressures?
Also, 6.5x55 trim-to-length is 2.155". Did you intend to list that or do you actually want 2.150" for the case length?
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With how close to the lands you are loading, I treated it as if you are touching the lands (i.e. adding 7,200 PSI to the shot start initiation pressure). The recommended max load is 2.5g below Hodgdon's recommended max. However, the predicted velocity between the two corresponds closely. Don't take the charge weights or the predicted velocity / pressure from QuickLOAD as gospel. It's a calculated guess. At Creedmoor equivalent pressure level it looks like you could gain about 160 FPS. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Cartridge : 6.5 x 55 Swedish
Bullet : .264, 130, Nosler AccuBond 56902
Useable Case Capaci: 53.618 grain H2O = 3.481 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.150 inch = 80.01 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.136% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-11.4 81 39.00 2499 1802 43525 8938 95.6 1.311
-10.2 82 39.50 2526 1842 44654 9053 96.0 1.297
-09.1 83 40.00 2554 1883 45820 9166 96.3 1.283
-08.0 84 40.50 2581 1923 47022 9277 96.7 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
-06.8 85 41.00 2609 1964 48263 9386 97.0 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
-05.7 86 41.50 2636 2006 49543 9492 97.3 1.243 ! Near Maximum !
-04.5 87 42.00 2663 2047 50864 9596 97.6 1.229 ! Near Maximum !
-03.4 88 42.50 2690 2090 52227 9697 97.9 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
-02.3 89 43.00 2718 2132 53632 9796 98.1 1.203 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 90 43.50 2745 2175 55081 9892 98.4 1.191 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 91 44.00 2772 2218 56576 9984 98.6 1.178 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.1 92 44.50 2799 2261 58118 10074 98.8 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3 93 45.00 2826 2305 59709 10161 99.0 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.4 94 45.50 2853 2349 61349 10244 99.2 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.5 95 46.00 2880 2394 63042 10325 99.4 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.7 96 46.50 2907 2439 64788 10401 99.5 1.116 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 91 44.00 2830 2312 60400 9940 99.7 1.149 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 91 44.00 2705 2112 52828 9922 96.7 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
Last edited by Azar; 11/22/19.
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Here's the 6.5 Creedmoor. Again, with how close to the lands you are I increased the shot start initiation pressure to be "touching the lands" (i.e. add 7,200 PSI). Looks like 41.5g is recommended max for 2,787 FPS. This is still about 2g higher than what's recommended by Hodgdon. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Nosler AccuBond 56902
Useable Case Capaci: 46.579 grain H2O = 3.024 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.22% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-12.2 86 36.00 2457 1743 44011 7956 94.1 1.312
-11.0 87 36.50 2487 1786 45342 8071 94.6 1.296
-09.8 88 37.00 2517 1829 46713 8185 95.0 1.280
-08.5 89 37.50 2547 1873 48127 8296 95.4 1.265
-07.3 90 38.00 2577 1918 49585 8404 95.9 1.249
-06.1 92 38.50 2607 1962 51089 8511 96.2 1.234
-04.9 93 39.00 2637 2008 52640 8614 96.6 1.219
-03.7 94 39.50 2667 2054 54241 8715 97.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-02.4 95 40.00 2697 2100 55897 8813 97.3 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
-01.2 96 40.50 2727 2147 57616 8908 97.6 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 41.00 2757 2194 59399 9000 97.9 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 99 41.50 2787 2242 61250 9089 98.2 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 100 42.00 2817 2290 63172 9174 98.5 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.7 101 42.50 2846 2339 65167 9256 98.7 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.9 102 43.00 2876 2388 67238 9334 99.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.1 104 43.50 2906 2437 69389 9408 99.2 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 41.00 2818 2292 63605 8985 99.4 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 41.00 2688 2085 55210 8919 95.7 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
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Here's the 6.5 Creedmoor. Again, with how close to the lands you are I increased the shot start initiation pressure to be "touching the lands" (i.e. add 7,200 PSI). Looks like 41.5g is recommended max for 2,787 FPS. This is still about 2g higher than what's recommended by Hodgdon. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Cartridge : 6.5 Creedmoor Hornady
Bullet : .264, 130, Nosler AccuBond 56902
Useable Case Capaci: 46.579 grain H2O = 3.024 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.800 inch = 71.12 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.22% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-12.2 86 36.00 2457 1743 44011 7956 94.1 1.312
-11.0 87 36.50 2487 1786 45342 8071 94.6 1.296
-09.8 88 37.00 2517 1829 46713 8185 95.0 1.280
-08.5 89 37.50 2547 1873 48127 8296 95.4 1.265
-07.3 90 38.00 2577 1918 49585 8404 95.9 1.249
-06.1 92 38.50 2607 1962 51089 8511 96.2 1.234
-04.9 93 39.00 2637 2008 52640 8614 96.6 1.219
-03.7 94 39.50 2667 2054 54241 8715 97.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-02.4 95 40.00 2697 2100 55897 8813 97.3 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
-01.2 96 40.50 2727 2147 57616 8908 97.6 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 98 41.00 2757 2194 59399 9000 97.9 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
+01.2 99 41.50 2787 2242 61250 9089 98.2 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
+02.4 100 42.00 2817 2290 63172 9174 98.5 1.134 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.7 101 42.50 2846 2339 65167 9256 98.7 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.9 102 43.00 2876 2388 67238 9334 99.0 1.107 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.1 104 43.50 2906 2437 69389 9408 99.2 1.093 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 41.00 2818 2292 63605 8985 99.4 1.132 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 41.00 2688 2085 55210 8919 95.7 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Thank you very much!
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