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They hit a bunch of factors, but of course the AMA doesn't want to talk about one factor that is present in rural KY, possibly in the rural areas of the other three states singled out as well: piss-poor medical care. The lack of access to preventative care and specialized treatment for serious conditions in rural areas absolutely has to be a factor, imo.

To put it simply, no doctor with any viable career options wants to go slum away in podunk KY. We get the scrubs, and the weird Pakistani doctors who can't speak English and don't give a damn about the ignorant infidel hillbillies they treat. There is no preventative medicine, no health care education, no specialized medicine. Instead we get a bored, bitter muslim throwing hydrocodones at us.

I really don't think an urbanite has any idea what it is like to be ill and have to go to a rural health clinic for treatment.

Add in the bean counters at insurance companies determining what tests and treatments people get and when they can get them. My recent foray into sleep apnea has been an eye opener...

My wife works in sleep medicine, business end of a large sleep lab. They try to stay in the rural areas but sleep seems to be at the low end of the priority scale. And some insurance will only pay for in lab after the person fails all the cheaper home tests.
Good luck getting help with the apnea.

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Life is hard. Resellience tenacity sticktoitness are all given lip service by counselors medical people. The siren call of disability and "get you a check" are the prevailing attitude. Why do I not suicide or get a check? Life is hard see what happens next(and 20 mg of feel-good) keeps me going. Better is only a day away.


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Originally Posted by Pappy348
This is a question, not a statement:

Could there be a connection with the common practice of drugging young children to get them to behave rather than using patience and discipline? There used to be a lot of discussion about how many of the school shooters were on drugs for ADHD and such. What happens when these kids suddenly find themselves forced to cope with life without a chemical crutch? Do they get weaned off them when the become adults, continue to take them, get put on something else, or self-medicate with alcohol and street drugs?

What are the long term effects of drugs lime Ritalin and Adderal?


Or is it more likely that the doctors are actually treating the kids that really are more crazy, and it's the one's that begin more crazy that end up as school shooters?


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Well as for the Ohio part...we have a ridiculously huge opioid problem and those young deaths are largely made up of that.

You see an obit of a 23 year old and ask around...damn near every time it's heroin or something related.

Something like 400 deaths in my county just from that and my county isn't big and its not abnormal in the percentages of those deaths either.



The real question is, why do small counties in Ohio have such a huge youth opioid problem?


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I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.

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Good the masses of ignorant youth is what will bring American down


Yeah, if the young durocs don't break us first on our healthcare premiums before they croak.


Without the working young, there's no one putting money into social security for you old farts.


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Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.


George,

I think another factor is how women, on average, don't process stress as well as men. They get into the business world and discover just how hard and stressful it really is. As they become more exposed to these stresses, their health profile begins to look more like that of men. There's a reason we, on average, die 8 years before women. As women seek to have it all, they also get all the stress that come with it, and they are not wearing it well.


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Welcome to democrat 101. We've been loosing our culture for decades. Our schools have been taken over by liberal activists. Our judicial system has been co-opted by liberal philosophy. Our government has been taken over by liberals turning the races against one another and making us more dependent on government handouts. our media is not much more than a propaganda machine for socialism. Full blown communism is just around the corner.

Religion means nothing anymore and our children can't even figure out what gender they were born. Infanticide is celebrated as a right and our borders mean nothing. Our laws mean nothing to migrants and natural born citizens are second rate citizens. It's looking more like George Orwell and Ann Rand got it right.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I don’t think the numbers are cooked at all. Women are increasingly abandoning motherhood and marriage. Often, if he does have children, most of the father’s contact with them consists being financially crippled through child support. Perhaps worse is having no children at all.

For women, loneliness and a sense of hopelessness ain’t such a big issue, typically they network and derive support and companionship from their female friends.

Why this should fall most heavily on White men is because a) there’s more of them still and b) “Progressive” attitudes are more common among educated women, as a group White women are more educated than other women.

But it is not exclusively a White problem, where I’m at I see the exact same thing among educated Hispanic women. Same thing has hit the free Asian nations big time too.

It is no accident that it was Eve who bit the apple, women have always been the more suggestible sex, now they are
swallowing Progressivism and we-don’t-need-a-husband hook, line and sinker.

At the same time boys in feminist-dominated educational institutions and in popular culture are told that their normal behaviors are “toxic” and to be suppressed.

Add to that the prevalence of porn on their phones easily accessible through the formative years, young men spend even more time jerking off today than we did. For women, lesbianism and the worship of their own sexuality as an end in itself becomes an ideal. For both sexes this further stacks the odds against long-term heterosexual relationships.

Background to all of this; a mass abandonment of religion and the resulting sense of an accountable code of morality. Right and wrong becomes whatever pop culture says it is.

I don’t envy kids today.



Very incite full, especially concerning women I think. Liberal, leftist women who believed the lie of feminism in the 70’s and “progressivism” since (the Eve Syndrome) intuitively know something is very wrong; they are “looking for love in all the wrong places”, and are usually very bitter and angry about what they sense they’ve lost.

Note the most angry, vitriolic, and bitter voices today in politics and in about any movement that rises to social consciousness. They are mostly very liberal women still searching for meaning.


George,

I think another factor is how women, on average, don't process stress as well as men. They get into the business world and discover just how hard and stressful it really is. As they become more exposed to these stresses, their health profile begins to look more like that of men. There's a reason we, on average, die 8 years before women. As women seek to have it all, they also get all the stress that come with it, and they are not wearing it well.


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I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here

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Looks to me like they all have some stuff in common. Worthless parents and school systems who don't care and play favorites and the teachers go along with the "cool" kids and leave the at risk kids to self destruct.

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I’ll say something right out. All the fat lardasses out there are a big problem. Lard asses have kids and teach them the same habits. Then the kids go to school and have to deal with it. Depression sets in and they get even fatter. Drugs and suicide follow. No Schiff Sherlock. I didn’t kill myself because I had only a high school graduation because I was working to live. Nobody took care of me after I was 17 years of age. Ed k

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Making bad decisions and doing stupid things at a record pace. Don't take that pill, its killing you.... oops too late.

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Originally Posted by comerade
I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here


But why are people making this choice??


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Originally Posted by mjbgalt
Looks to me like they all have some stuff in common. Worthless parents and school systems who don't care and play favorites and the teachers go along with the "cool" kids and leave the at risk kids to self destruct.


And I suppose that contributes to:

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Case told reporters their research showed a “sea of despair” in the United States among people with only a high school diploma or less.


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If they would only buy a big stupid McMansion and work three jobs they would be happy.

Dont have no kids.....they will mess up your retirement plans.....and you wouldn't be there to raise them anyway.


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Hot dose of Fentanyl is just what some need actually.
Actually makes life better for others in the long run when a scumball who was a burden and POS leech when they was alive cant pull their B.S. anymore.

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Sick of hearing about opiod deaths. Fûck them scumbags, they make it extremely difficult to even get medicore pain management for legit patients.

I cannot take otc nsaids. Puts me in a corner. My level 4 pain might be your #9, quantify a subjective parameter. Pure nonsense.

Fuggin pillbillies

Maybe the chinese will start making piss poor grade narcan with Drano in it.

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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by comerade
I am not sure why opiods are blamed, it is a choice .
I am soon 62 and take them in order to stay active, injuries are a good part of it and new parts aren't in the discussion.
I am very active and very fit...more so than 90% around me. I have never taken anything to get high and have never once felt this from painkillers. They get me more mobile. I am Canadian, same difference. Same problems here


But why are people making this choice??

I can only speak for myself- injuries, severe injuries are the biggest factor. I have yet to take any substance to get a high off it.

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But but but but...
They all have family and people who loved them.
They will all be sad if Billy Ray ( who never did a fugging thing useful in his entire life)
OD,s on pills or gets a hot load of fentanyl.


Most of the time the fughing family enabled the lifestlye for Billy Ray the d bag when ya put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
Trying to hide their shame when it was all going on, and accepting none of the blame after Billy Ray kicked the bucket.


Waaaaaahhhhh........

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