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Just acquired a marlin 1895, new to the big bores. I’m using a peep so my shots will be around 100yds or less. Interested in those that hunt with a 45-70 What have served you well in the field? I’m not recoil shy and don’t plan on doing much shooting from the bench.

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405gr .459 cast WFN PB or GC @~1200/1300fps - RL7/Starline brass.


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I have a large supply of Remington 405gr JSP. I load them to 1800fps from a Guide Gun, 46gr of H4198, Starline brass, WLR primers, 2.55" COL. Lee Factory Crimp.
I don't believe that bullet is available anymore.

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Couple things.

Speer 400 grain JFP. I found accuracy around 1550 - 1600 fps. I got 3-shot groups under 0.7" or better, center to center at 100 yards, with 52 grains of H4895, Winchester brass, and Federal 210M match primers from a stainless marlin guide gun. It shot very well in an 1895 GBL and in an 1895 Cowboy rifle.

RCBS 405 grain flat point, gas checked, sized 0.459. Actual weight was around 425 grains. With 47 grains of IMR 3031, again, WW brass and Fed 210M primers, groups were around 1.5 inches at 100 yards with the ss guide gun. Didn't shoot many (any?) in the other two.

For lower recoil yet, the Remington 405 grain factory ammo shot under MOA in 3 of the 5 Marlin .45-70s I've owned.


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Hardcast does not require high velocity to be effective. Try it.


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I use black powder with 500 and 530 gr grease groove and paper patch bullets in my 45-70's, you may want to try RL-7 powder under the 350gr Hornady jacketed flat point, not a deer or black bear alive I wouldn't shoot with that bullet.


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Thanks for the input guys, shot 2 types of factory ammo, 300gr and 325. I’m going to top out at 350 gr. for reloads, I’m not really recoil shy and those pack plenty of punch on my end.


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I shot a 300 gr hp the full length of a mule deer and the recovered bullet weighed 186 gr. Muzzle velocity was book value 2100 FPS, don’t know how fast it was going at 90 yds

Don’t neglect the lighter bullet in a 45-70

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250 grain Barnes TSX

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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?

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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?



Yes, they work awesome on whitetails. H4198 produces one hole groups at 100 yards out of an 1895 SBL

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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?



Yes, they work awesome on whitetails. H4198 produces one hole groups at 100 yards out of an 1895 SBL

Good. Have some of that, plus N120 and RL7 to try.

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I like a 300 grain cast bullet. Less recoil and it works nicely.


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250 grain Barnes TSX

I'm going to try these to see how they shoot. Have you had any luck hunting with them?



Yes, they work awesome on whitetails. H4198 produces one hole groups at 100 yards out of an 1895 SBL

I shot a doe with my "primitive" 45-70 BPCR fitted with a VX-3 3-9x40 CDS, set up for the 250 TSX over Vv n-120. It's a Barnes (Marlin) accuracy load at 2,550 fps out of a 24" barrel. I never clocked it out of the 30 BPCR barrel. That big bullet blew thru the deer, scattering pieces of lung tissue on the far side. She made a few leaps, blowing blood like a fire hose before she piled up. It trashed both lungs, blew the top out of her heart.

I shot a pig at 100 yds. The bullet left a pattern on the far rib cage, like a broken window. There was the exit hole, with fracture lines in the rib cage, several inches in all directions, radiating from the hole. I've not seen that before or since. Also blew lung tissue out the far hole.

With the Barnes load and the dedicated CDS, I can put that bullet on a pie plate at 300 yds all day long. That was the requirement at a previous deer camp to qualify a gun for a long shot. Those 300 yd. groups were around 5" or so. Not bad for a big bullet that looks like an ash tray turned backwards.

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_AZ
I like a 300 grain cast bullet. Less recoil and it works nicely.


What powder are you using for that 300 gr cast bullet? I've got some to try. Was thinking that a fun, light load could be built with a 300 gr bullet.

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Favorite 45-70 loads are

1) 405 gr Remington JSP over 47.0 gr VV N-133, and 2) 350 gr Hornady FN over 50.0 gr VV N-133.

Not because deer need that much to pull down...it's the occasional 300-400 lb hog seen here in my part of Texas that needs it.

If deer were my only concern...my little 260 Remington would get the nod all the time.

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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
405gr .459 cast WFN PB or GC @~1200/1300fps - RL7/Starline brass.

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Hardcast does not require high velocity to be effective. Try it.

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Originally Posted by mitchellmountain
Just acquired a marlin 1895, new to the big bores. I’m using a peep so my shots will be around 100yds or less. Interested in those that hunt with a 45-70 What have served you well in the field? I’m not recoil shy and don’t plan on doing much shooting from the bench.

God Bless,

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Anything you can fling out of a 45-70 will kill any deer DRT with a good shot. I used the old standard 405 grain Remington jacketed flat points and they were devastating. Get them moving over 1400fps and nothing will stand there and take it. I had mine cranked up a little higher.........and they killed at both ends of the gun. Just find a bullet and load that shoots well, and stick to it. No need to re-invent the wheel, the 350 fp and 405 fp bullets are fine from any maker..

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I load a Remington 300 gr hp to 2000 fps with RL7. Deer just drop when hit.

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Yes. If it fits a 45-70 barrel it will be fine. Absolutely no need to hot rod 350-405 grain slugs as such will kill at both ends. They will give more than adequate penetration at 22 LR velocities like 1,200 fps.


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