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Would he shoot 40 S&W in full moon clips in a K frame,
Or would he shoot a Glock?
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He was a big guy with huge hands. Glock 20 in 10mm


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Probably neither one.


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Even with my simple simpleness and goofy doofus mentality and using a calculator he would be 108 years old so in my simple simpleness I calculated he would be 108 years old being born on May 1911.
So, with that being said I would say unless he had super human capabilities, aged much slower than normal humans and was still working it is my sincere belief he would not be using any firearm at the age of 108 years of age regardless of brand, type or caliber.
But who knows, he may still be corralling the bad guys, shooting up the scenery, making headlines, wooing the women, giving talks and in general being a good guy.


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Originally Posted by whelennut
Would he shoot 40 S&W in full moon clips in a K frame,
Or would he shoot a Glock?
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He would be shooting a Sig P320



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A 357 Sig.

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^^^^^^^^^....correct answer....

That said, if he could transport a todays handgun/cartridge back to 1960 when he, Elmer Keith and Skeeter Skelton were pushing for a .40/41 caliber LE handgun, I would hope it would be one of the Ruger GP-100 Match Champions in 10mm as it was just what they were looking for...

Mid-frame DA
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Stainless steel for easy cleaning
.40/10mm ammo available from mild qualification ammo to Magnum performance rounds
Built in speed loaders
Easy to carry 4 full-moon clips in a double pouch

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Maybe a Smith 627 PRO......


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I can't the revolver over a semi auto



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Bill Jordan, more’n anything else, was a practical handgunner. I bought his book “No Second Place Winner” for my brother when I was in high school and my brother an MP in the Army. I suspect Mr Jordan would approve of any number of modern fighting handguns today.

Of more interest to me is “What would W.E. Fairbairn do?”

Fairbairn was waaaaaaay ahead of his time, survivor of more than sixty deadly altercations in his twenty-five years in the pre-WWII Shanghai Municipal Police.

While our police were still training by standing up and shooting at targets Fairbairn devised practical pistol courses of fire for his men, including home entry scenarios, pop up targets and shoot/no shoot scenarios.

Fairbairn said most gunfights would be 1) in the dark 2) within ten feet and 3) decided in the first two seconds. Heck, his master handgun treatise was called “Shooting to Live”, he was someone who obviously “got it”.

http://index-of.co.uk/Tutorials-2/S...rn%20and%20Sykes%20-%20FMFRP%2012-81.pdf

Anyhoo... most unusual for a Brit of the period, Fairbairn favored semi-autos for their speed. First of all the Colt 1911, IIRC with a pinned down grip safety. For his more diminutive Chinese recruits the Colt 1903.

Today, I’m gonna WAG that neither Jordan nor Fairbairn would find any fault with the Glock 19.


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Why would anyone think that Jordan and Fairbairn 108 years and 134 years of age respectively would still be working much less be carrying and using a gun of any type?
That is so unreasonable. An I am considered a doofus.
Funny isnt it.


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I have had the opportunity to interact with a lot of BP agents over the last 27 years and have yet to see one carrying anything other than whatever handgun is/was standard issue at the time. YMMV.


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Originally Posted by glockdoofus
Why would anyone think that Jordan and Fairbairn 108 years and 134 years of age respectively would still be working much less be carrying and using a gun of any type?
That is so unreasonable. An I am considered a doofus.
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Not unreasonable at all if they were cyborgs sent from the future.


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Probably be “running” a semi, though I can’t quite wrap my head around him using anything but a revolver! memtb


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Originally Posted by whelennut
Would he shoot 40 S&W in full moon clips in a K frame,
Or would he shoot a Glock?
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Glock, for sure. Perhaps in .357 Sig.

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Probably not .357 Sig...from his book, "The .357 Magnum is presently the best cartridge available. With the 160 grain bullet in 4-inch barrels it delivers slightly more than 1200 (feet per second) ...and an authoritative 500 plus foot pounds of energy. While a little more shock power would be desirable, no other available cartridge is so near the ideal for police use."

The ideal, he wrote, would be a ".41 caliber loaded to between 1200 and 1300 (feet per second) with a 200 grain semi-wadcutter bullet."

Of course, he was advocating for the .41 Mag, but it is very interesting to people like me with too much time on their hands sometimes to wonder if the 10mm would have been his huckleberry. After reading No Second Place Winner and as having started my LE career with issued L frames, I've been shooting old revolver qual courses with my 5" GP-100 10mm and can't help thinking it would have been pretty ideal back in the day.

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If I were in a position where the varmints were 2 legged, I'd probably go for the 1911 in 45. The varmints around here have 4 legs, so My choice would be an N-frame S&W in 44 Mag or 45 Colt, second choice would be a 357 19 or 586.


As far as those two guys, I'd suspect that Jordan would do well with the 1911. Don't know anything about the Birt.


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I got to hunt with Bill several times 40 years ago, and he struck me as no nonsense and straight ahead. I just would expect him to have a S&W 357 on his hip and he'd by god be able to use it. I can't imagine him any other way. Like trying to imagine him without being that tall and skinny and having that molasses thick drawl.

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Bill Jordon didn't have very many kind words for the 1911, but, to be fair, it has been much improved since 1965. I hadn't read his book until a few years ago and saw where he advocated for deactivating the grip safety. Before going into LE I was gunsmithing and saw where a lot of guys would pin down their grip safeties. (Thinking about the the liability of deliberately disabling a safety device makes me cringe now.)

I carried a 1911 beginning in 1987 and rarely could get through a 60-round qual course without some issue with the issued 185 gr Remington HP. Everything else ran fine but, of course, for whatever reason, probably cost, we went to the Remington ammo. I remember hoarding all the Silvertips and any other old issued .45 I could find for duty carry but had to use the friggin' Remington for quals.

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