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Originally Posted by beartrack
Late to join this conversation, but just wanted to offer experience of loving both the Nos. Part. and Barnes X: I have used the former on many animals and was my go to for "big." I started moose hunting in an area with some decent size grizzly and one big one we saw regularly. The first year, I recovered partitions from my first moose (two rounds broadside) and they'd lost more than half their weight, I started looking elsewhere. I started using the early 180 X bullets in 1993. In the moose that I shot after that, only one Barnes was ever recovered. It was quartering away and uphill. The shot hit the left rear "knee" joint, passed upward breaking the last rib, crossing the lungs, hitting the ball joint at the shoulder and turning slightly forward lodging under the skin. It traveled through two massive bone and nearly 7ft of animal and retained over 90% of it's weight. Nothing wrong with the Noslers, but bullet technology has come a long way. Partition design is more than a half century old. While I still have partitions on my shelf, for tough or mean or big, I'd always go with X.


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Shot my grizz with a 30/06 and Rem 180gr core Loct yrs ago..Went right down...Today I have a .300 Win and would not hesitate to shoot big bear with a 200 grain Swift A-Frame...That bullet works on anything...Swift A-Frames are considered by most experienced African PH's to be the best...Wife and I just took 15 animals in Namibia at all ranges with 180gr.. A-Frames ..She took a mature giraffe(2000#) with one shot from her 06..These bullets appear to be highly controlled from factory...Another good one is Federal's Trophy Bonded 200 gr..

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Sounds like you used the 300WM/AF in Namibia for your rifle? How fast were you shooting the 200AF in the magnum? Were these handloads or factory? I had the privilege to hunt Namibia near Aroab, way back in '98. We used the 300WM/Barnes 180 xbt; 338WM and 200X. Gemsbok and Springbok only. There were a lot of Cape Eland on the place but we didn't take any.

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When I switched from the 180 tsx to the 168 ttsx in my H&H I started recovering quite a few bullets. While using the 180s I did not catch a single bullet. I wouldn't think that 12 grains would make a big difference. Maybe it's the tip initiating expansion. Maybe it's just dumb luck, although I shot the 180 almost exclusively for quite some time. I've only shot 4 bears (2 grizzlies and 2 blacks) with the 168, but I recovered 4 out of 5 bullets fired..... only 1 exited. All but 1 of the recovered bullets had lost all petals. All individual who participated in these activities were quite dead, and in no way do I consider any of these bullet failures. I'm plenty happy with how the 168 works for me. However, if you insist on an exit I would stick with 180 and above.

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When I switched from the 180 tsx to the 168 ttsx in my H&H I started recovering quite a few bullets. While using the 180s I did not catch a single bullet. I wouldn't think that 12 grains would make a big difference. Maybe it's the tip initiating expansion. Maybe it's just dumb luck, although I shot the 180 almost exclusively for quite some time. I've only shot 4 bears (2 grizzlies and 2 blacks) with the 168, but I recovered 4 out of 5 bullets fired..... only 1 exited. All but 1 of the recovered bullets had lost all petals. All individual who participated in these activities were quite dead, and in no way do I consider any of these bullet failures. I'm plenty happy with how the 168 works for me. However, if you insist on an exit I would stick with 180 and above.

I made the same switch but my experiences are 180 degrees out from yours. I have never recovered a 168gr TTSX and have used a bunch of them in 30-06, 300H&H, 308NORMA ,, 300SAUM, And 300WM. I have shot moose, caribou, deer, and bears.


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lots of times whether you recover one or not can be directly related to shot placement. That said I think mags deserve heavier bullets than normal thinking. But didn't someone here kill a few moose and a bear or two with 80 ttsx in 25-06


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i am not a guide or hunt big bears , but a 30-06 would be the cartridge i would use its simple and works well. i do have for trailing wounded animals if needed is just a Remington 760 pump 30-06 with a small scope ,22 inch barrel. we call this old rifle just the killer gun its simple,fast for a second shot and always works. i may have some very fine rifles for hunting but tough to beat a simple old Remington 760 - 30-06 to finish the dirty work if needed in the thick nasty stuff.


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Nice answer. Irrelevant. But nice I suppose.


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yes i did not answer the question exactly about bullets because its mostly the man behind the rifle , but if i did load bullets for my 760/ 30-06 a would use just Nosler Partitions 180 grain, but to be honest i may do alot of reloading but for my 760/ 30-06 i just buy factory loaded Remington 180 core-lokt this old rifle likes them.


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So the bullet to use for big bears is a core lokt?

Better information then. I suppose.


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you read into crap to much,but i would bet a cheap core lokt would get the job done in my hands. i know a bear hunter/ VIET Nam Marine vet in Alaska who has used Remington core lotks and killed bears, heck bowhunters kill these bears with a bow. >but maybe in your hands you need more ?


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Originally Posted by rost495
lots of times whether you recover one or not can be directly related to shot placement. That said I think mags deserve heavier bullets than normal thinking. But didn't someone here kill a few moose and a bear or two with 80 ttsx in 25-06

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180 gr BBC. (Bitteroot Bonded Core)



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Originally Posted by pete53
you read into crap to much,but i would bet a cheap core lokt would get the job done in my hands. i know a bear hunter/ VIET Nam Marine vet in Alaska who has used Remington core lotks and killed bears, heck bowhunters kill these bears with a bow. >but maybe in your hands you need more ?

Just attempting to get you onto a level playing field here.

But the comparison to an arrow kill vs a corelokt might be all one needs to read. I can kill a bear with a 22. Or a bow as you note.

We are talking hunting a big one, with the possibility of follow up shots. Not a doe hunt where you can choose to pass the shot if you want... Kind of one of those once in a lifetime things where lengthwise penetration might be a good thing to have and 2 holes is much better than one. Especially with the cost of a hunt all included and the fact you might not get an ideal shot.

And any animal thats then adrenalin ramped....

But then again I was fairly sure you would miss the point.


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lots of times whether you recover one or not can be directly related to shot placement. That said I think mags deserve heavier bullets than normal thinking. But didn't someone here kill a few moose and a bear or two with 80 ttsx in 25-06

That would be my son...

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you read into crap to much,but i would bet a cheap core lokt would get the job done in my hands. i know a bear hunter/ VIET Nam Marine vet in Alaska who has used Remington core lotks and killed bears, heck bowhunters kill these bears with a bow. >but maybe in your hands you need more ?

Just attempting to get you onto a level playing field here.

But the comparison to an arrow kill vs a corelokt might be all one needs to read. I can kill a bear with a 22. Or a bow as you note.

We are talking hunting a big one, with the possibility of follow up shots. Not a doe hunt where you can choose to pass the shot if you want... Kind of one of those once in a lifetime things where lengthwise penetration might be a good thing to have and 2 holes is much better than one. Especially with the cost of a hunt all included and the fact you might not get an ideal shot.

And any animal thats then adrenalin ramped....

But then again I was fairly sure you would miss the point.


>your right wounded animals can have plenty adrenalin if wounded,that`s why you wait awhile then go for the kill shot . enough said


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not enough. So no one has ever made a mistake? And no one else ever has to deal with said mistake? Even possibly the shooter?

Its a great pipe dream I agree. No one ever fire other than a quick killing shot. No bullet ever fails. No bullet ever deflects. No animal ever moves at the shot.

Will take that under advisement.


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Barnes tech told me that the 168 gr TTSX/TSX was designed to expand at lower velocities than the 165 gr TTSX /TSX and hence better suited for 30-06 loads.

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I think I was asked about bullet speed for A -Frames in the 300 Win....They were Swift factory loads listed at 3015 fps...I don't handload and these are super accurate...Wife's 30/06 180s were listed at about 2700 fps..No need to since these are carefully controlled...Little pricey but not near what a lost animal is...You can order direct from Swift or Midway..About $70 for .300 mag..........The Core Loc was used before most of you were born in 1978 BC,Canada..Not a lot of choice then..

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