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Sometimes folks get lucky, or are the exception.
No issue to step up to a much more dependable cartridge or weapon, than a blowgun or 9mm.
YMMV.
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Vesna Vulović , a Serbian flight attendant holds the Guinness world record for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 33,330 ft
Still not the prescribed method.
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OP,
Do you have any handgun hunting experience?
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Mac, I do believe his only experience is jacking his mouth. But he is extremely experienced at that!!!
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OP,
Do you have any handgun hunting experience?
hundreds of head of small game, 2 deer, both with 9mm from a baited tree stand. Anyone who can take deer with a bow can do so with a 9mm. It's just a question of setting up the stand properly, having a blind, where you can see them run 100m or more. With a good load and a good hit, from 20m or less, they never make it that far.
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Vesna Vulović , a Serbian flight attendant holds the Guinness world record for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 33,330 ft
Still not the prescribed method. just because you're inept doesn't mean everyone is. It' not luck when when a master pistolero brains them. You just have to bait them in. Guys take them with blowguns and spears.
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Sometimes folks get lucky, or are the exception.
No issue to step up to a much more dependable cartridge or weapon, than a blowgun or 9mm.
YMMV. sure, if all you want is to be just another mediocre nothing, which probably IS all you can realistically expect. Some people can't play chopsticks on the piano. Others give million $ concerts. Same piano.
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Vesna Vulović , a Serbian flight attendant holds the Guinness world record for surviving the highest fall without a parachute: 33,330 ft
Still not the prescribed method. just because you're inept doesn't mean everyone is. It' not luck when when a master pistolero brains them. You just have to bait them in. Guys take them with blowguns and spears. All righty then...
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OP,
Do you have any handgun hunting experience?
hundreds of head of small game, 2 deer, both with 9mm from a baited tree stand. Anyone who can take deer with a bow can do so with a 9mm. It's just a question of setting up the stand properly, having a blind, where you can see them run 100m or more. With a good load and a good hit, from 20m or less, they never make it that far. Yeah... That doesn't sound like someone who's actually spent time learning to shoot well. Skill with a bow has nothing to do with skill with a pistol. Not that someone can't kill deer easily with a bow or a 9mm, but there are a LOT of guys who shoot one or the other and can't hit a barn with a 9mm. Between this thread and the one about the CCW guy who got shot (still waiting for a reply on that one BTW), I'm thinking satir is here to impress us, being a master pistolero and a quick draw specialist. We may have some competition here for dla.
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So you haven’t tested this theory on bear yet? I’ve killed more than two deer with handguns and I don’t think the 9mm is a good idea. Can it work? Sure. Consistently? Not so sure.
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So you haven’t tested this theory on bear yet? I’ve killed more than two deer with handguns and I don’t think the 9mm is a good idea. Can it work? Sure. Consistently? Not so sure. Well said. Reflects my experience and opinion on the matter as well.
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Other than a survival situation, why? There should be better rounds out there.
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Exactly right. Getting mauled to death by a brown bear because your head shot with the 22 didn't go to plan is somewhat embarrassing.
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For me absolute minimum would be 357 magnum or 10mm with hard cast rounds by buffalo bore or underwood. I know of two cases locally that 9mm has been used successfully for bear defense but don't think it is a an appropriate caliber for the task.
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another dumb ass with a gun..
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Not everybody has an array of handguns, so they carry what they have.
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And you sir...you just gored the hell out of sacred cow...…..grin
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In my experience large game have s lot of blood and larger caliber inflict Parker wound channels which allows them t bleed out quicker in most cases.
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I'm fond of going overkill. It's easy to apologise if you've offended in the process.
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I do believe Phil Shoemaker killed a Brownie with a 9mm because that is what he had when the situation called for it bu I do not think he would recommend it as soon me thing to do on purpose
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The master pistoleero is full of theory.. He has shot a whole two deer though!
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He probably went off to find a forum that is more appropriately impressed with his feats.
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No doubt he will return. Based on his posting style and mannerisms, he is not interested in dialogue.
Only interested in typing then reading his own statements about his incredible depth of knowledge and skill on pretty much any and every subject matter.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
Or check out the Alaska section on this website.
Or search the net...
Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win”
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Captive bolt gun, some real hunting skill.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
Or check out the Alaska section on this website.
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Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” Yes he did. It was all he had and he was very fortunate the bear wasn’t charging him. I’m not taking anything away from this, as he saved his client’s bacon. That doesn’t make a compact 9mm a bear gun. I think satir’s handle is missing the “e” on the end.
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Since I'm not on here much. I have to ask....who da fugg is Satir.
Read some of his other posts and wow did he ping the BS meter.
Though I'm glad to see he has was a teacher to Cooper, Wilson and apparent compadre to Hackathorn.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
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Or search the net...
Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” And I cut a 3 year old Hereford bull with two friends, a half worn out Cactus rope, an old timer and a hangover, but I would not recommend that either... Using the right tools for the job will often prevent you from getting your from getting your guts torn out when things don't go "Just Right" like they do in fantasy land and the internet...
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
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Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” I'm not aware of but one bear that Phil used on handgun on to stop and that was with a 9mm. I'd like to see the link to the one with a 357 mag, if it exists
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It spammed the main forum up top for s few days making a mess. I think Rick put it in a corner. I say “it” as many believe it to be a bot.
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https://www.americanhunter.org/arti...men-from-raging-grizzly-with-9mm-pistol/Even if he hadn't said it himself (and I seem to recall that he did so here on this forum) reading his account is enough to convince me that he wouldn't recommend the 9mm for large bear defense.
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Phil has stated that had he known he was about to be charged by a brownie, he’d have had ol’ ugly.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
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Or search the net...
Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” I'm not aware of but one bear that Phil used on handgun on to stop and that was with a 9mm. I'd like to see the link to the one with a 357 mag, if it exists I think I recall reading that Phil's daughter carries a .357 with 180 gr. hardcast for bear protection.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
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Or search the net...
Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” I'm not aware of but one bear that Phil used on handgun on to stop and that was with a 9mm. I'd like to see the link to the one with a 357 mag, if it exists I think I recall reading that Phil's daughter carries a .357 with 180 gr. hardcast for bear protection. Yes that is true as has Phil, but I know of no time that the 357 been used on an attacking bear by either
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I think I recall reading that Phil's daughter carries a .357 with 180 gr. hardcast for bear protection. Interesting. For about twenty years my do-everything woods gun was a 3” Mod 60, first in .38 Special then upgraded to .357 when it came out. Then maybe ten years back I was in a 3 minute standoff with a 300+lb feral boar hog, it eventually gave ground but while it was thinking about what it was gonna do that Mod 60 in my hand with those 5 180grain Hardcasts just seemed to shrink. Rapid-fire with that heavy load in that little revolver just weren’t my forte. Dunno what the ballistics were out of a 3” barrel were either, tho bang and flash sure were loud. Carried a Glock 29 after that but 10mm ammo was so hard to find, after Mr Shoemaker dropped that griz with a 9mm I figured 15-1 easy to shoot rapid-fire 147gr Hardcasts from a Glock 19 ought work on anything I’d encounter. Now my son has the 19, my current woods gun is a 9+1 9mm Springfield Armory XDs. I’d still take it over that Mod 60, much as I still admire that versatile little revolver.
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Go to accuratereloading.com >>>Alaska hunting
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Or search the net...
Master bear guide Phil Shoemaker killed a brown bear with 9mm. He also did it with a 3” barreled S&W model 60 j-frame 357 mag.
He goes by the handle “458win” I'm not aware of but one bear that Phil used on handgun on to stop and that was with a 9mm. I'd like to see the link to the one with a 357 mag, if it exists I think I recall reading that Phil's daughter carries a .357 with 180 gr. hardcast for bear protection. Yes that is true as has Phil, but I know of no time that the 357 been used on an attacking bear by either I believe I remember reading on here years back that Phil had used the 357 with either hard cast or maybe it was the Hornady tmj. He stated that he trusted it enough that he gave his Smith and Wesson 4 inch to his daughter when she started guiding?
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Byron, Phil tested the 357 with his chosen ammo and felt it would work. The bear that I am aware of that Phil used a handgun on in defense is the 9mm
Phil and I had some discussions on these boards about handguns fir bear defense. Phil felt that a handgun wasn't going to stop a bear unless a central nervous system hit and he felt that one needed a pistol with low recoil that could be shot quickly My knee and only bear defense with s pistol was with a 475 Limbaugh and it flattened the bear with a body shot
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