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I have given up on duck hunting on account of a really bad right (shooting) shoulder. 5 surgeries find me with half of an artificial shoulder. I'd do some duck hunting if I could get the felt recoil down. Help me explore my options. Switching shoulders is off the table. I could drop down to a 20 gauge. I don't know how much effectiveness I would lose with that. I could shoot my Beretta AL390 with a PAST recoil pad. I have used one shooting rifles off the bench and I don't think it'll take enough edge off of heavy duck loads. I know there are shock absorber type devices out there, but know nothing about them. The latter is where I am focused right now. Who can give me the scoop on these devices?

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The Beretta Xtrema 2 with KO is a very light recoiling duckgun. Maybe you can find someone local who has one to try.


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Kingston is right.

Another option is the 20 gauge, but with better shot to ease your performance concerns... It will be more expensive, but you will be in the game still.


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28 gauge, Tungsten super shot, a Semi Auto and keep them inside 30 yards.


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Expensive as a high maintenance women, but sometimes they are worth the cost. In this case they hammer Birds....

Notice the velocity is only 1040FPS. Recoil is extremely soft yet with the increased number of pellets along with increased penetration, you don't need the speed. It's the real deal, an expensive deal, but if it keeps one in the game???? Depends on how much you shoot and ones commitment. I've used them in a 28 and the recoil is minimal.



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Originally Posted by humdinger
Kingston is right.

Another option is the 20 gauge, but with better shot to ease your performance concerns... It will be more expensive, but you will be in the game still.


I am leaning this way. I don't mind paying more for the shells no more than I would shoot in a given season. Still very curious about the shock absorber devices.

What's out there in non Turkish 20 gauge semi-autos in the sub $1000 range.

Kingston, I'll look into that.

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Originally Posted by battue
28 gauge, Tungsten super shot, a Semi Auto and keep them inside 30 yards.



Beat me to it. 28 or 20 gauge with Tungsten and a Beretta with a KO as suggested.

Evolve my friend, don't give up.


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Originally Posted by battue
28 gauge, Tungsten super shot, a Semi Auto and keep them inside 30 yards.



Yes! When you can see their feet..... SHOOT!

"As long as they're coming, let them come in.
Shoot where they're going, not where they've been!"

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Kingston is right.

Another option is the 20 gauge, but with better shot to ease your performance concerns... It will be more expensive, but you will be in the game still.


I am leaning this way. I don't mind paying more for the shells no more than I would shoot in a given season. Still very curious about the shock absorber devices.

What's out there in non Turkish 20 gauge semi-autos in the sub $1000 range.

Kingston, I'll look into that.



I love my franchi affinity 20 gauge. Its light, though.


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
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Kingston is right.

Another option is the 20 gauge, but with better shot to ease your performance concerns... It will be more expensive, but you will be in the game still.


I am leaning this way. I don't mind paying more for the shells no more than I would shoot in a given season. Still very curious about the shock absorber devices.

What's out there in non Turkish 20 gauge semi-autos in the sub $1000 range.

Kingston, I'll look into that.



Sub 1K, non Turkey may be hard to find....Couple hundred more....


https://www.gunsinternational.com/g...uot-ko-factory-demo.cfm?gun_id=101320510


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This has my attention. Looks like it's made in Portugal.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/843419891

Anyone have any experience with them?

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Nothing wrong with the SX4. I thought it was Turkish made, but it really makes little difference. They are better than good and reliable.

A little SX4 fun....



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I don't have a problem with Turkish guns. I have political issues with country of Turkey.

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Nothing wrong with the SX4. I thought it was Turkish made, but it really makes little difference. They are better than good and reliable.

A little SX4 fun....




FWIW

http://www.winchesterguns.com/support/faq/where-are-winchester-firearms-manufactured.html

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FWIW:

Made in Portugal so you’re good. If you wanted a Winchester pump you wouldn’t be.

Winchester the company, cares less and makes money off of both countries. So buy the SX4 and you still contribute in some way to the Turks.

Politically I have issues with Germany. Which bothers me little when it comes to buying one of their shotguns. Same could be said for the Italians. Japan makes some good guns and Winchester makes some there. A country where individuals don’t have the right to own firearms. Politically, are you sure you want to buy anything from Winchester.


Politically I even have issues with the USA.

And it goes on and on.






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When we begin parcing things out, one realizes if he was to be a pure ideologist, he’d have to be a Robinson Crusoe type.

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Remington's 1187 20 gauge is heavy for a 20 gauge, so that should help soften recoil. It is said to be a reliable workhouse. I went with one. Unfortunately it has the the famous Remington rust attracting finish, so I'll have to stay on top of it.

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Hope it all works out for you. 👍


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Remington's 1187 20 gauge is heavy for a 20 gauge, so that should help soften recoil. It is said to be a reliable workhouse. I went with one. Unfortunately it has the the famous Remington rust attracting finish, so I'll have to stay on top of it.


I have 2 of the 1187 youth 20s. Light they are not, but soft recoiling is their thing. Haven't used them enough to comment on durability but lots of folks seem to really like them. I got them on clearance at Wal-Mart for $250 plus tax each for my two young boys to grow into.

Best of luck!

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Originally Posted by battue
FWIW:

Made in Portugal so you’re good. If you wanted a Winchester pump you wouldn’t be.

Winchester the company, cares less and makes money off of both countries. So buy the SX4 and you still contribute in some way to the Turks.

Politically I have issues with Germany. Which bothers me little when it comes to buying one of their shotguns. Same could be said for the Italians. Japan makes some good guns and Winchester makes some there. A country where individuals don’t have the right to own firearms. Politically, are you sure you want to buy anything from Winchester.


Politically I even have issues with the USA.

And it goes on and on.







Well said!!


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11-87 in 20 will be mild as you can get


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I can validate what those guys. Are saying on the 11-87 20 gauge being a soft kicker...

More importantly it’s light enough to lift easily, and doesn’t kick much... plus you can still put 3” shell in it.

I got one from the walmart end of year at a good price, and am suprised how it shoots.

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Shotgun fit is the one place that shell for shell and action type vs action type, mitigates felt recoil more than any other factor. Now felt recoil to the face may be completely different than actual recoil to the OP's shoulder.

After fit, gun weight, heavy vs light shot weight, and FPS are the significant factors. Changing to a 3in mag shell vs a light 2 3/4 is going the wrong way.

For me it would be anyone of the SA's that has shims to adjust fit, combined with a recoil system and then topped of with light loads. Magnum loads have been force fed for so long, most don't appreciate how efficient light loads are.

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