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Does anyone have a copy of the latest Woodleigh reloading manual and is willing to share their recipe for their 225 RN SN in the .358 Winchester? Anyone know of any other source for woodleigh bullets? I just joined loadata.com, but no one listed anything for this combo.

I suppose I could use data for another 225 gain RN, but figured I'd ask here first.


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I tried them in a BLR, but best accuracy was around 2300 in that rifle. I wanted to use it at 2400+. That rifle preferred 3031 and 200gr loads. Just use Speer 220fn data but start very low, then work up in .5gr increments. Huntington Die specialties has them. Good luck to you.

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Nosler has a .35 cal 225 gr partition. Might use their load data as a reference.

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Depending on rifle and how you load, with that bullet you'd be lucky to maintain the minimum suggested impact velocity of 1,800 fps past 150 yards if that. If you plan on exceeding that you would be better of with the Partition or better yet the A-Frame which have better exterior ballistics and lower suggested minimum impact velocity's

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I always thought the AFrame was a lot tougher in the nose than the Nosler? In fact, overall, I thought it was a lot tougher...??

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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
I always thought the AFrame was a lot tougher in the nose than the Nosler? In fact, overall, I thought it was a lot tougher...??


My understanding of the two is the A Frame is bonded in the nose and appears to have a thicker jacket (not sure of that) where as the Nosler Partition is not bonded.

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Originally Posted by Greyghost
Depending on rifle and how you load, with that bullet you'd be lucky to maintain the minimum suggested impact velocity of 1,800 fps past 150 yards if that. If you plan on exceeding that you would be better of with the Partition or better yet the A-Frame which have better exterior ballistics and lower suggested minimum impact velocity's

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Muzzle Velocity / Range to 1800 fps give or take a few yds:

2300 fps / 180 yds
2350 fps / 195 yds
2400 fps / 210 yds
2450 fps / 230 yds

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Maybe with the 200gr. RN's

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Nosler and Lee Modern Reloading both show those velocities are possible with 225 gr. However, the Woodleigh may generate more pressure due to particular bullet construction and total bearing surface. Nosler used a 23" barrel. Lee doesn't give the rifle or barrel length and only states 225 gr jacketed bullet. Hodgdon has data for 225 gr Sierra BTSP, which might not generate the same pressure. They show max V's from 2370 to 2450 fps ... BUT from a 26" barrel. I really do want to slap the load data developers sometimes for that kind of idiocy.

Who uses a 26" barrelled 358 Winchester? Sure one can estimate per inch barrel fps attenuation, but I see folks using anywhere from 15 fps to 50 fps per inch, with most probably using around 20 to 25 fps per inch. It would make far more sense for load data be presented with practical barrel lengths. Rant over.

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Pete ,

I’ll take a pic of the woodleigh data and post it here for you


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Originally Posted by Just a Hunter
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I always thought the AFrame was a lot tougher in the nose than the Nosler? In fact, overall, I thought it was a lot tougher...??


My understanding of the two is the A Frame is bonded in the nose and appears to have a thicker jacket (not sure of that) where as the Nosler Partition is not bonded.


Yes the A Frame is bonded, the Partition is not. I can't say about the jacket, but there's nothing the A Frame will do the Partition won't in the 358 Win. And you can get the Partitions at SPS at around $27 for 50 vs $65 for the same number of A Frames.

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JMD025,

Appreciate those pics....but, I didn't get the protected point (PP), I got the Round Nose (RN) Soft Nose. Can you send the picture from the manual for the recommended expansion velocity for the RN?

The velocity requirement does concern me a bit, as my gun is a custom re-barrel job on a Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic with an 18 inch barrel. (and yes, off the bench, it doles out some punishment!) However, this gun is for PA whitetails and black bears in the woods, and 90% of those shots are well under 100 yards.

I've tried Ramshot TAC under bot 200 Grain TSX & a 200 grain speer hotcore - but it does not seem to like those bullets. If it is at all like my Whelen, I thought maybe it would prefer a heavier bullet.

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Pete , Check the heading .. it’s for round nose softs as well .

The pages I’ve posted are the entirety of the data woodleigh has for the 358

I’ll look up the expansion velocity recommendation

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Woodleigh item 51, 358 cal .358 225 gr RN SN recommended impact velocity = 2000-2500


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Most of these reported loads you all are talking about are compressed loads, some as much as 15-20% with high pressures. As to the Weld-core bullets. Woodleigh reports the same velocity with both at the muzzle (which I haven't found) but close, but the BC's are different and thus the down range impact velocity's. Then most of these loads you all are going by are based on rifles with barrels from anywhere between 24" and 26". Added up it can make a big difference when using a rifle with a 20" barrel and a standard (non compressed load) short of a 150 yards I wouldn't worry too much about the bullet, won't get much expansion maybe but a 358 hole isn't nothing to sneeze at. Woodleigh suggest between 2000-2500 fps with a 1800 absolute minimum. Mine is a 22" M70 featherweight... I don't give out load data, never have and never will. But hope any attempting max-loads will be safe and do it slowly.


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Originally Posted by jmd025
Woodleigh item 51, 358 cal .358 225 gr RN SN recommended impact velocity = 2000-2500


Thanks again for all your help and info!!


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I've got a steel framed BLR-81 in .358 that I've used to take several deer with shooting the 200gr Hornady RN or a 225gr Nosler Partitions. I've never stopped either of those in a deer. What I've read recently calls the Hornady a very soft bullet. Maybe so but like I said , I've never recovered one to see. I like high shoulder shots when the animal will cooperate. But I have no doubt that the Partition will make it to the vitals regardless of angle the animal presents. I've had good results from both. Looking at the wounds I have no doubt that both are expanding well. The 225gr Nosler Partition is putting along with muzzle velocity of 2400fps. Is it really needed in the 358 Winchester? No. But it does pretty well in the DRT Department. The Hornady load is far below what the 358 will do if run up to maximum load data. It's only doing 2350fps but it is extremely accurate with that load. It kills with plenty of authority maybe because my shots are very seldom over 100yards though. I'm shooting 225gr Nosler Partition in my 35 Whelen as well but I've only taken one deer with it it was a neck shot so I have no experience with the 35Whelen.......... Yet! Intentions are to try the 200gr Sierra Pro hunter in my BLR 358 and open the throttle if I am able to retain accuracy. I also have a rebored Left Hand Remington 788 that started out life as a 308 Win. Whoever did the work failed to show a caliber change on the barrel, (or any place else). First rounds of 308s I loaded up wouldn't hit a barn from the inside. I finally picked up a piece of brass and saw the fire formed 358s. Then I placed a loaded round (in 308) in the muzzle and of course it rattled around. I've not shot the Partition in it but the same 200gr Hornady RN load that shoots so well in the BLR shoots well in the 788 also. I've not hunted that rifle for several years but I loaned to Buddy who racked up several deer and a few hogs with it. Bottom line for me is it knocks big holes.at a moderate velocity and only very little bloodshot / wasted meat. I really like the 358 Winchester cartridge in my BLR-81! For me they make a great couple!!! But to be fair, I should included the fact that I am a great fan of 35cal rifles, period!


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