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It's all about the twist.

That's what Chubby Checker said. What a great hunt with a classic caliber, iron sights at 125 yards no less. Just perfect.

I know why they did what they did in 1915, but hanging onto that twist until 1960 was pretty dumb.

I'm agreeing with you there....

If the 250 got a 10-twist post WWII the 243 would never have been invented

Except for the fact that almost all 243 ammunition is 100gr or less, and you can make 250-3000 ammunition that shoots well that's 100gr or less.

The 243 is more flexible in that it can handle many longer 100gr bullets than the 250-3000 can.. but I'm not sure the 250 would have kept the 243 at bay. Winchester marketing and all.

I do think if they'd switched to a 1 in 9 or 10 twist in the 30's, that it would have continued to sell far better than it did.

All true but the then current 250 Savage with the 1-14 twist made it easy for the 243 Win to take it's business.

The 250 would have had a tremendous advantage if it had been 1-10 when the 243 Win came out becasue it would have been able to handle 115-120 grain bullets, something the 243 would not have been able to keep up with. The 250 would have remained relevant.

As the 250 Savage was with the 1-14 twist in the early 50's, the introduction of the 243 sent the 250 into a predictable tailspin that it never really recovered from.

The problem with manufacturers making 250-3000 ammunition heaver than 100gr is that it wouldn't work in old rifles at all.

Manufacturers don't like that. Customers yell at them.

But in general I agree.

Should I try 117's in my 1 in 10" 250? Hadn't thought of that before.

They should work. I'd rather have the 100gr and velocity than the heavier, slower bullets.

Thanks Rory

This. In the quarterbores and less speed is your friend, given typically available bullets. The .25-35 got away with 117's because those bullets were/are designed for modest velocity.

Even in my recently acquired Ruger No.1 in .250 with its fast twist barrel I plan to apply 87's. Yes, I'm buying into Savage's philosophy of 100 years ago. Speed kills in the smallbores.

I tried 117's in an old 1-14" 250-3000 just to see what would happen. Somewhere around here I have the remainder of that box.. need to load them up for my model 11 in 250 Savage.

I would not want to be shooting at big mule deer, caribou, elk, plains game, bear, etc., etc with said medicine.

Not totally undoable with a 257 heavy for caliber slug.

That is where the 250 could seperate itself from the 243. If you going to shoot 87 and 100 grain pills, one could make the aruement they might as well be coming out of a 243.

I wouldn't necessarily make that arguement, but one could...