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Originally Posted by Squidge
Honest answer, the evidence is both circumstantial and pretty strong that Trump did something that he shouldn't have. Is it enough to impeach the President? With that said, we need to have Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo to testify under oath to what the know, it's the only way know for certain exactly what the facts are. Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama had ordered the State department not to give any Congressional testimony or documents to Congress regarding Benghazi? Would he have been impeached?

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Yes, lots of 'saying' he committed a crime.

Saying....and providing evidence.....two very different things.

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Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
The haters keep referencing these compelling 'facts', and 'evidence'.

Yet nobody has been able to clearly articulate them. All I hear are a lot of hearsay, and assumptions.



I'd like to see the elements of each crime he is accused of, and the evidence that supports each element of each crime.


There wasn't a crime which is why there are not any facts supporting it. Hurting a snowflakes feeling's isn't a crime. It's a political impeachment without a crime.

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Did I miss where the OP brought up any facts?

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The whole thing boils down to,...did Trump suggest a quid pro quo on aid supplied to Ukraine in exchange for an investigation into the Biden's illegal activities there?

It doesn't sound like he did. But even if he did it would be standard operating procedure that's been going on since the beginning of time.

American foreign aid *always* comes with contingencies,...and it's only proper that it does.

It's an investigation that's intended to impress the stupid element in America,...and I'm sad to say that there's a *lot* of extremely stupid Americans.

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Originally Posted by Stormin_Norman
Originally Posted by MontanaMarine
The haters keep referencing these compelling 'facts', and 'evidence'.

Yet nobody has been able to clearly articulate them. All I hear are a lot of hearsay, and assumptions.



I'd like to see the elements of each crime he is accused of, and the evidence that supports each element of each crime.


There wasn't a crime which is why there are not any facts supporting it. Hurting a snowflakes feeling's. It's a impeachment without a crime.
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Depending on the outcome the crime and crimes may come later. Not by POTUS but by demoncraps. They have gotten use to the commission of crimes with no consequences.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by akmtnrunner
The facts are there. How about a rational evaluation of them instead of denial and distraction.

You foolish cowards are despicable! Vile creatures like you won't even defend their original posts. You're roots begin and end in Hell.


We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?

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Originally Posted by akmtnrunner
The facts are there. How about a rational evaluation of them instead of denial and distraction.



How about you and I have a rational discussion. 4 years on the forum with absolutely no political posts or commentary, you start with this? Who hacked yor account?


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Originally Posted by Squidge
Honest answer, the evidence is both circumstantial and pretty strong that Trump did something that he shouldn't have. Is it enough to impeach the President? With that said, we need to have Bolton, Mulvaney, and Pompeo to testify under oath to what the know, it's the only way know for certain exactly what the facts are. Can you imagine what would have happened if Obama had ordered the State department not to give any Congressional testimony or documents to Congress regarding Benghazi? Would he have been impeached?

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.................... Squidge...............Honest answer back to ya....Circumstantial evidence whether it be strong, medium or light along with the OPINION that Trump did something that he should not have,,,,,is not grounds for impeachment. You are correct.

Ok then.....Turnabout is fair play......Along with Bolton, Mulvaney and Pompeo to testify under oath as to what they know,,,then how abouts calling to testify under oath as well Adam Schiff, the so called WHISTLE BLOWER, Hunter Biden, the Ukraine officials who stated no pressure and no PRID PRO QUO and actual and true EXPERTS on the Constitution such as ooooh like say Mark Levin, Jay Sekulow, Greg Jarrett, Alan Dershowitz?? NOT THREE TRUMP HATING BIASED LIBERAL PROFESSOR HACKS who all donated to the DNC.

If the demCRAPS had LEGIT evidence under the Constitution of crimes committed by Trump, then why the closed door hearings by Schiff WITH NO DUE PROCESS accorded the POTUS???

If the demCRAPS had a great case beyond all reasonable doubt and justified under the guise of the US Constitution that in fact Trump committed impeachable offenses, then WHY the closed door hearings with NO rights of due process accorded the POTUS?

If the dems had the goods beyond all reasonable doubt, they would have done their best to EXPOSE FULLY the crimes of the POTUS in OPEN HEARINGS!!


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the dems are so stupid that they commit crimes, then instead of staying quiet about it they start pointing at the crime, and saying Trump did it!

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There is nothing to discuss.


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If there was truly evidence of crime, it would be a simple matter to reveal it to the public.

This dog and pony show is not about exposing any crime. It's about trying to stop re-election of President Trump.

The Dems have no viable candidate to unseat President Trump. So this is what they are doing.

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Here's how I see the "facts"

Witness: He did it, everyone was in the loop, we all knew it to be true.
Questioner: Ok, how did you know it to be true?
Witness: Because everyone knew it to be true, after all I heard someone say they were told they heard he said it on a phone call?
Questioner: Were you in the room listening to teh call?
Witness: No
Questioner: Was the person who told you in the room?
Witness: No
Questioner: Did Trump ever tell you?
Witness : No
Questioner: Have you ever met Trump?
Witness: No
Questioner: So if nobody heard him say it, how do you know he said it?
Witness: Because everyone knows he said it, so he must have

Ummmmm, like talking to one of my kids when they were 3.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
The whole thing boils down to,...did Trump suggest a quid pro quo on aid supplied to Ukraine in exchange for an investigation into the Biden's illegal activities there?

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Suggesting a foreign power look into a possible crime isn't a crime. Joe Biden isn't a protected class because he is running for POTUS. Anyone paying attention realized there was no crime from the start. The only crimes committed were those of Pelosi and Shiff in fabricating testimony for a fabricated crime and lying to congress.


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I have yet to hear of any crime that Trump committed. There has to be a crime for there to be evidence thereof. The Dems and Never Trumpers keep talking about non-crimes and then they don't have any hard evidence of the non-crimes they're talking about. "Quid pro quo". "Obstruction of Congress". What a load of happy horse shixt.

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Originally Posted by greydog
Here are the facts: Just like Richard Nixon, Trump made a stupid error. Nixon didn't need to allow people to break into a hotel suite to get info on the Dem campaign; he was going to win anyway. Donald Trump doesn't need to smear the Bidens; he probably wouldn't be running against Joe anyway. The Dems will probably decide to run a woman (preferably a colored lesbian) anyway and Trump will win. It has been demonstrated that the real Trumpeteers cannot be swayed. The Democrats will insist on running some one who is unsupportable (again) and Trump can only beat himself. If Trump can get past this (and there is a real good chance. They've got nothin'), all he has to do is avoid being stupid (a much greater challenge) and he'll be staying in the Whitehouse. GD


greydog, WTF!?

".. Trump made a stupid error" Really? What stupid error?

Are you referring to Trump executing his oath of office by following through with the treaty signed by slick willy (thats pres bill clinton for those in denial) with Ukraine back in the 90's that requires cooperation between our two countries on issues of mutual corruption?

Creepy uncle Joe very clearly stated his success in blackmailing then Ukrainian president Poroschenko in the youtube video for all to see.

Go look up the phone call transcripts, they're easy to find with just a few clicks. No quid pro quo anywhere anyplace in that call.

Go back and listen to ambassador Sondlands' testimony during the hearings. He said very clearly, Trump didn't want anything to do with quid pro quo.

With all the technology available today to Americans we still have people in this country that act like Barney Fife....and no, you don't get your bullet!


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Trump's "crime" was suggesting that the Ukrainians investigate Biden and other top Dems who it appears, all had their hands in the same pie. The treasonous scum are now trying to keep their own heads above water by accusing Trump of the things they themselves are guilty of.

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Originally Posted by akmtnrunner
The facts are there. How about a rational evaluation of them instead of denial and distraction.



We're still waiting for the "facts".........?


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I hope the Republicans can take back the House, and put and end to this SSHIT show.


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