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. . . But it's gotta be capable of 1/2 MOA and preferably w/o me bothering with a gunsmith. Unless you get real lucky, that pretty much eliminates all factory rifles.
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. . . But it's gotta be capable of 1/2 MOA and preferably w/o me bothering with a gunsmith. Unless you get real lucky, that pretty much eliminates all factory rifles. There are some. Seen some Brownings do 1/2 MOA regularly. Plenty of capable Savages too. 1/2 MOA would be a goal...maybe with some tweaking on my part and definitely with hand loads. Perhaps I'll back off to MOA so it will leave the door open.
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Your probability of achieving 0.5” MOA in any rifle without the barreled action being properly bedded and barrel floated is extremely low. Every rifle needs this if you’re serious about trying to achieve your stated accuracy.
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I own an XS7 .243 and my brother and dad also both own one. They are all very accurate and I would not hesitate to say that they are all MOA rifles. I shoot 95 gr. ballistic tips in mine, my dad shoots 70 grain ballistic tips and brother typically shoots 100 grain federal blue box. Any time someone mentions a .243 I almost always recommend the XS7 from CDNN. Someday they will all be gone especially at the price they are selling for right now.
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. . . But it's gotta be capable of 1/2 MOA and preferably w/o me bothering with a gunsmith. Unless you get real lucky, that pretty much eliminates all factory rifles. There are some. Seen some Brownings do 1/2 MOA regularly. Plenty of capable Savages too. 1/2 MOA would be a goal...maybe with some tweaking on my part and definitely with hand loads. Perhaps I'll back off to MOA so it will leave the door open. You could get lucky with a number of makes but there is no factory rifle that you can go buy off shelf and KNOW that it'll give you half MOA for a grand or less. There aren't even many factory 243's that are twisted properly. Occasionally people sell great rifles just because they're bored and/or had a lapse of their senses. That's probably your best bet given the limits you've imposed.
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Bullet of choice? That might make a little difference. Dunno. Maybe. Could be.
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I also believe I said this is mostly just boredom and fodder for discussion and entertainment. So say we back off the specs to MOA...just for discussion. We could also open the door to used rifles and spend some more cash. But I was thinking about something I could pick up and not spend a fortune and have good, not reasonable, accuracy. In the end, I won't spend $2k on this rifle, but for the right rifle, I could maybe go $1500. But can I get $1500 accuracy out of a $450 Ruger American or a used $300 salvage?
If I had to pick a bullet, I'd probably choose the 100gr Sierra GameKing BTSP or as my do-all. What would you recommend?
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I've seen that 3 shot group stuff brought up here and other places before. I generally consider 5 shots sufficient but have shot 10 shot 243 groups as well.
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Keep an eye out for a used Kimber Montana here on the classifieds. It won’t shoot those popular heavy 6mm bullets (105s and what not) but it’ll kill deer just as dead with vanilla rounds. I carried one for years and punched tags without trouble with 80 grain deep curls. Very effective and a joy to carry.
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Yup.
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With that budget I’d see if anyone would part with one of the Fieldcrafts that Whittaker’s was blowing out. Might be some guy in Cali who grabbed a few to resell ... 
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With that budget I’d see if anyone would part with one of the Fieldcrafts that Whittaker’s was blowing out. Might be some guy in Cali who grabbed a few to resell ... Perhaps I will...
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I bet a Winchester 70 FWT XTR would fill that niche 
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I would go Barrett or Kimber if I could find one. On the cheap though that shoots better than it should, Savage 110 lightweight storm
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I bet a Winchester 70 FWT XTR would fill that niche You know, it's not outta the question. Ha!
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I’d wait for Tikka to make a 6CM... Man! How long does a fella have to wait!
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I'm bored and looking...
So, just curious at this point but if you were in the market for a new 243 Win, what would you consider? I already have some ideas where I'm gonna end up, but would be curious to hear what some others think. And to get this out of the way right up front, the answer isn't a different headstamp. Not going to entertain 6.5CM or 6CM, 6mm-06 or any other 6mm cartridge. Answers should be speaking specifically to the 243 Win cartridge in your choice of factory bolt action rifle. Would also be interested to hear why you suggest something. Personal experience? You're brother's, girlfriend's, uncle's, cousin shot a record book muley with it?
Price could also be a consideration so, let's try to keep it to factory bolt action rifles under $1000.
Go... A Weatherby Weatherguard and whatever style of McM stock that you prefer would come close to your budget. That said, when I move back to NH I may be looking for lighter rifles to carry up and down those hills.
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REDUX ! NEW —. Tikka T3X
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I bought a Tikka SL in 243 this year. I have never owned a Tikka and really like this one. The Barnes 85ish gr factory ammo was the first thing I shot it the rifle. The rifle shot clover leafs at 100 yard so I zeroed it and shot a small buck this year in Michigan.
Mine is simple, works and is awesome. I would recommend one. I did swap the stock with a Tikka Forest because I love a roll over cheek piece. The factory stock is hollow and a bit loud but there are a bunch of easy fixes for that.
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I'm bored and looking...
So, just curious at this point but if you were in the market for a new 243 Win, what would you consider? I already have some ideas where I'm gonna end up, but would be curious to hear what some others think. And to get this out of the way right up front, the answer isn't a different headstamp. Not going to entertain 6.5CM or 6CM, 6mm-06 or any other 6mm cartridge. Answers should be speaking specifically to the 243 Win cartridge in your choice of factory bolt action rifle. Would also be interested to hear why you suggest something. Personal experience? You're brother's, girlfriend's, uncle's, cousin shot a record book muley with it?
Price could also be a consideration so, let's try to keep it to factory bolt action rifles under $1000.
Go... A Weatherby Weatherguard and whatever style of McM stock that you prefer would come close to your budget. That said, when I move back to NH I may be looking for lighter rifles to carry up and down those hills. I got the lightweight deer rifle covered for up north. Actually a couple times over. Have an XTR featherweight 06 in a Brown Precision and a Pre-64 featherweight 270 win in a Brown Pound'r. And a couple others that get to make that trip too.  This 243 quest is for fun. Mostly would be a coyote killer.
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