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MOA freaks me out. I'm an inches guy........ That there's your problem........ Skip inches and clicks, and don't try to convert anything......think MOA. Rangefinder says 500 yards, your drop sheet says 5.6 MOA, dial scope to 5 and add two clicks.....boom..... Same format here, very simple. The rifle now wears a SuperChicken 3-15X42.
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I find it fascinatingly hilarious,that someone would put DOPE on their rifle,which the scope is not even incrementally synched to correlate. Hint. Congratulations?!? It is hardly "daunting" to have it all,staring one in the face. That from Beaver Dope corrections,to the limits of application,transonic slip,end of erector travel,end of reticle subtension or whatever Finish Line you use. Hint. Congratulations?!? From 10yd Beaver Dope(a 6 Mil ele correction) to the 2000yd line (48.2 Mil ele correction). That is simply the mechanical limits of the erector and reticle combined in unison. Hint. 1150yd Ocular Dope and the offside of stock houses a greater breakdown. Note that increments,are slated to adjustment value of the erectors. Hint. The Fhuqking CDS/BDC Ruse is a fhuqking JOKE. Hint. Bless your hearts for trying. Hint. LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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f you git an email advirtizing fur fre porn dunt opin it. It wil desabul yur spelckik.
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TAg for reading later when I'm more awake.
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This is all crazy. Spend your time worrying about honing your hunting and woodsmanship skills and none of this fuzzy math matters. Does any body care to hunt anymore? Or just shoot?
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This is all crazy. Spend your time worrying about honing your hunting and woodsmanship skills and none of this fuzzy math matters. Does any body care to hunt anymore? Or just shoot? Fhuqk yes...RETARD,you "tell" 'em! Hint. Congratulations?!? LAUGHING! Be sure to quantify your "responsible" Retardation and keep in mind,not everyone suffers your handicaps. Wax eloquent upon the wares you "unleash" your Retardation with,perhaps dangle some pics of same and state how it soothes your Surging Estrogen levels,to be afflicted in such a manner. If only for fhuqking STARTERS. Hint. Bless your heart for Crying...you CLUELESS Fhuqks never disappoint. Hint. LAUGHING!................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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This is all crazy. Spend your time worrying about honing your hunting and woodsmanship skills and none of this fuzzy math matters. Does any body care to hunt anymore? Or just shoot? In this particular case, I shoot, This rifle is my 'fun gun' at the range, A question on the net, is a whole lot cheaper than wasting time, money and powder at the range, what good is "woodmanship", when you don't even understand your sighting system? Relax.
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This is all crazy. Spend your time worrying about honing your hunting and woodsmanship skills and none of this fuzzy math matters. Does any body care to hunt anymore? Or just shoot? You need to get out of your hunting bubble....
- Greg
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Should we bring up variations and variables yet? Such as the changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity... elevation alone can make a mid-trajectory difference of some 100 fps or more, and 3" or more of drop from 2,000 ft. to sea level, 60 deg. variance in temperature can do the same, all has to be figured in at some point. Not to mention angle (up & down).
Practically need a computer in your pocket.
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Should we bring up variations and variables yet? Such as the changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity... elevation alone can make a mid-trajectory difference of some 100 fps or more, and 3" or more of drop from 2,000 ft. to sea level, 60 deg. variance in temperature can do the same, all has to be figured in at some point. Not to mention angle (up & down).
Practically need a computer in your pocket.
Phil Nope..... What you need is actual experience. Pressure and altitude are two different expressions of the same thing. A guy who’s actually shot at various altitudes, and in various conditions knows what’s what. Out to 500-600 pressure/altitude make very little difference.... knock a click or two off for lower pressure (higher altitude).... add a click or two for higher pressure (lower altitude). Angles are very much the same.... unless it’s an extreme angle, or extreme range.... they’re a click or two difference too. Most guys who are good at hitting stuff at longer hunting ranges (Say 450-650 yards), don’t rely a lot on ancillary equipment like anemometers or cosine indicators... they rely on intuition derived from actual field experience. Shooting your rifle.... more than your mouth.... is a great way to learn this stuff.
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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Too bad you haven't learned crap yet. Or you might know a little something. Apparently haven't yet!
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Laffin.....
Regale me Longshanks..... I’m all ears....
You better pray to the God of Skinny Punks that this wind doesn't pick up......
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So who has some useful numbers to start with, just for grins.
.223 , 50 grain Vmax. 24 grains of Benchmark powder, avg FPS is 3010, 100 yard zero....
without some type of actual software, where do you begin,,,(other than range time to start or verify).......?????
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So who has some useful numbers to start with, just for grins.
.223 , 50 grain Vmax. 24 grains of Benchmark powder, avg FPS is 3010, 100 yard zero....
without some type of actual software, where do you begin,,,(other than range time to start or verify).......????? Hornady Ballistics calculator on their website will give you some kind of a rough idea.
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Inches, the length of the Kings finger joint. So save heartache, discouragement etc. Sell the CDS, get a cheap mil-mil get on target, measure the range with the mil scale in the scope....use the mil hash for holdover.....claaang....in about 3 seconds flat. Surprising how much fun shooting is when you're not playing with a smartphone and solving artillery firing solutions ad nauseum. JMO
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With today’s rifles, scopes, components 400-500 yds is a chip shot. That ain’t long distance anymore. If you need a crutch (cds) you need to go practice more. KISS It just ain’t that complicated.
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With today’s rifles, scopes, components 400-500 yds is a chip shot. That ain’t long distance anymore. If you need a crutch (cds) you need to go practice more. KISS It just ain’t that complicated. Riiiiiiiight.........you never miss a wind call I guess?
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Should we bring up variations and variables yet? Such as the changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity... elevation alone can make a mid-trajectory difference of some 100 fps or more, and 3" or more of drop from 2,000 ft. to sea level, 60 deg. variance in temperature can do the same, all has to be figured in at some point. Not to mention angle (up & down).
Practically need a computer in your pocket.
Phil Stick to politics...
- Greg
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Thanks Should we bring up variations and variables yet? Such as the changes with elevation, barometric pressure, temperature, and humidity... elevation alone can make a mid-trajectory difference of some 100 fps or more, and 3" or more of drop from 2,000 ft. to sea level, 60 deg. variance in temperature can do the same, all has to be figured in at some point. Not to mention angle (up & down).
Practically need a computer in your pocket.
Phil Stick to politics... Thanks Greg it’s exactly that kind of attitude that has me living in this political [bleep] hole😳 l say for gods sakes please don’t stick to politics.
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