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I'm thinking about a suppressor, and am wondering if I should list it as a "trust" when purchased,

so that it can be in my will for a family member to inherit it after I pass.

Don't know the proper procedure. Anyone do this when you purchase one of these?

Thanks for any advice!

Virgil B.

I did a trust, which was not all that difficult. Who knows if it will matter in 80 years when I pass away.

Mine have all been acquired using the Single Shot Trust from Silencer Shop where I am the only named individual. Painless. I'll let my heirs worry about acquisition/disposition when the time comes.

I went individual after talking with my FFL. Upon death the suppressor can be transferred to someone else listed in your will for free using a Form 5

I also went individual on all of mine...

For a while, the individual form 4s were being blown out in 4 months. That all came to an end- back to the end of the line they said.

I did trust so my wife, kids, brother can use when necessary and will have no paperwork or headache when I die. Was very easy as I used a very knowledgeable class 3 dealer cost was 50$ if buying suppressor from his shop. Was set up by a gun trust attorney for him. If only buying one and no one else will be using or inheriting per say, just do individual.

My wife hunts and can carry one with her or the kids if she takes them out without me. No big deal with a trust

Virgil,

As noted above a suppressor can be transferred on the owners death for free with a Form 5... However I figure my family will have enough to deal with without dealing with the BATFE.

I also feel the real beauty of the trust is having my family members on it so they can legally use it now. As soon as my kid's turn 21 I will also add them.

YMMV,

Jerry

My first one was in a trust. After the rules changed, I did the next 2 as an individual.

What rule change ? Trusts are still legal.

Do some reading and then decide

https://nfalawyers.com/two-years-after-41f-are-gun-trusts-still-worth-it/


https://www.silencershop.com/blog/post/nfa-gun-trust/

Didn't say they weren't. But the change that occurred in June or July of 2017 (I think) made it easier to do an individual ownership rather than a trust.

30-40 High Wall,

As I Recall (from memory so fair warning)...

Form 4 as an individual used to require Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) sign off. In a lot of jurisdictions the CLEO would refuse to sign off (for no reason) which would stop the acquisition, so folks would go the trust route which did not require a CLEO sign off. The rule change mandated only CLEO "notification" not 'sign off' (for Form 4 individuals).

Also trusts (I believe as I have not done one since the change) now require those listed on your trust to have a background check===> not a bother for a lot of suppressor owners with trusts as they are the only owner in the trust but want it for the ability to pass it on with no hassle, which a trust does. My trust is my wife's and mine, so in the hopefully unlikely event that I die she has to do nothing... it is hers, but she can also use it in the mean time.

And according to my class 3 dealer they (the BATFE) are F'ing with trusts.. sending them back for BS. He used to recommend and do a lot of trust sales, but now recommends avoiding trusts. However... it could just be the examiner for our area?

Jerry

The background check only applies to persons on a trust when a tax stamp is being submitted for approval. So the easy way to do this is amend the trust.

Example. I purchased multiple items. Once they all were approved I added my wife and brother to the trust by amending it. They do not require a background check or fingerprints that way. If I buy another item I remove them from the trust as trustees and make them beneficiaries until the item is approved, then switch them back over to trustees. This is all very simple to do with the forms supplied by the trust attorney my class 3 dealer used to build the trust.

That is why lots of informed people say 41f did nothing at all to negate trusts. Trusts are amendable, that’s the beauty of them. When My wife and I finalized our will the attorney who did the will for us was very pleased a NFa trust was setup as it made things much easier to transfer them to my family in the event something happens.

It’s up to you to decide which you do. It’s a big decision as not easily changed when done. What’s best for one isn’t always best for the other. Study up and get informed. Discuss with a reputable class 3 dealer. Make informed decisions

Lots of good information here!

I bought raffle tickets for a suppressor, tax stamp, and a threaded Ruger lite 22LR to put it on.

Gotta wait to see if I win it, before buying a suppressor, and new threaded Glock 44


Thanks guys!

Virgil B.

Talked to the manager at the local shop that sells suppressors.

He said his suppressor is not in a trust, but individual, and that with the form 5 his Wife will inherit when he passes.

He said he keeps a form 5 in his safe, so his Wife won't have to deal with finding one when he passes.

Got good information from him, and y'all Thanks!

He said he's got 20 suppressors waiting on approval, and that it's taking about 10 months now.

Looks like I better make up my mind pretty soon, so I can get in line!



Virgil B.

I’m almost a year waiting now...

Not much of an advantage to the trust route now after the rules changed. I will go individual if buying another. I've been putting it off. Should have done it before the mid-term elections, but never thought dems would win the House and poo-poo on making suppressor ownership easier. So now I'm still putting it off.

From my research, albeit limited, I think I will go the trust route for any I buy. I like the ease of adding my kids to the trust once they hit 18 so that they can have/possess them easily enough once I'm gone or want them to have it.

I would get going on it... if we have a democratic president in 2021, even if suppressors are not in their sights, there probably will be a run on suppressors and the wait will only get longer.




Twenty-one, not eighteen. Still a good reason though.

Jerry

My suppressor dealer just told me he does not recommend using a trust. He says individual purchases are easier and faster than trust purchases.

How does he recommend passing them on to others or allowing them to be used by others not in his presence? Truly not trying to be a smart a$$, just trying to make sure I have enough information for when I purchase one.

OSU Sig,

Same thing my dealer tells me... and he used to (prior to 2019) strongly recommend Trusts.

Jerry

He doesn't advise me on what to do with my personal property. That will be up to BATFE regs.


Same here, Jerry. My suppressor dealer is also a uniformed police officer here in OK.

Thank you for the response.

Anyone running a Sparrow22 suppressor?

I see that one can be bought for about $360. Sounds pretty reasonable.

My Son in law bought one, and is waiting to bring it home.

Virgil B.

The Sparrow SS is the one I have. Love it.....

Virgil,

I don't think you can make a 'Bad' suppressor for a rifle... though a Thompson Machine 10-22 integral I saw, looked like it was made by a 3rd grade shop class.

It's when you start using them with pistols that you notice the difference. And it will be in the amount of first round pop, Some claim that it is no big deal, with my two Tactical Innovations 'Quests' I do not consider it hearing safe and wear hearing protection when shooting them at the range. With my latest... the 'dead air mask' I can discern no difference between the first and second shot, consider it hearing safe and shoot it without concern with no hearing protection at the range.

So rifle only I would not hesitate on a Sparrow 2, No experience but from what I have read, incredibly easy to disassemble for cleaning (this can really be an issue if you try to go too long before cleaning your can) and reportedly good suppression. For a pistol, I'd go with the 'dead air mask', the element 2, or another can that has a reputation for no first round pop (with a pistol).


YMMV,

Jerry

I’m reasonably sure that they will have to have their own tax stamp when you pas it on to them.

do a little more research before you make assumptions

Form 5 transfers are free( this is the form needed to transfer a NFA item to a heir) with a trust they are already listed and it saves you doing this paperwork. The suppressors still reside at the residence on the form 4 in a safe storage state.

So no. There won’t be another 200$ tax stamp. Form 5’s take about 30-60 days currently

https://www.esilencers.com/passing-nfa-items-down-to-your-heirs-without-a-trust/

The beauty of trusts is that I own 6 suppressors, and my wife or brother can legally hunt or shoot with them whenever they want without me being present. Without a trust you must be present at all times. When my kids are old enough so can they. There will be no paperwork for my family to do when I die. I have 3 small kids. If my wife wants to sit and hunt with one and me a different one they can still shoot there rifles suppressed.

If you have a family to leave them to or who will be using them at any point then do a trust. If it’s just you and don’t have any situations where someone else will use them without you do individual. It’s simple really

There are still trust loopholes despite Obama 41f. If you wait till the cans are all back then add people to the trust much easier. If your buying more later on you amend and take them off then put back after tax stamp approved

The sparrow had too much first round pop for me. Especially on a pistol or semi auto rifle. There are better choices available now for pretty much the same money. I went with dead air mask as it sounded the best of all the ones I tried wether on a pistol, rifle. The rugged also sounded great.

Yes, its great and will work up through 22 Hornet pressures. A wonderful suppressor.

Have read reviews that state the first shot "blast" from a handgun is no longer the case with the Sparrow suppressor.

They have supposedly improved them?

I will be using one on a 22 magnum Ruger American, and eventually a Glock 44

Thanks for any more feedback!

Virgil B.

Best bet is to go to a dealer that has some demos and shoot them. If they have improved the sparrow that is nice cause it wasn’t too impressive when I tried it. Always nice to try out your options if possible. Try to shoot the mask, rugged, sparrow, thunderbeast and whatever you can to see what you think fits your need.

If you were close I would let you shoot my mask and my neighbors rimfire cans to see. He has 6 different rimfire suppressors. Mask wins out of the 6 he has. Rugged is pretty much a tie with the mask. Thunderbeast close but a little higher pitched to me. Thompson machine very good as well. Sparrow is about 3/4 years old and comes in next to last with warlock being the least favored. Not sure what is new on market though

Lots of rimfire suppressors capable of handling small centerfire such as 17/22 hornet which is nice. They aren’t as quiet as a centerfire can but very handy in size

You really need to go try them if you can

Good advice.

More good advice!

I'll check out the dead air Mask a little closer.

Thanks!

Virgil B.

Also watch SilencerShop for specials if you are not going to be buying from a local class 3 dealer. They sometimes have some very good deals

KevenJ;

Thanks for the advice.

The Silencer Shop lists Mazama's in Eugene for where to purchase.

They are close to me, and I worked for them for a while after retiring.

Great place to do business.

Virgil B.

I took the plunge and bought a suppressor yesterday. I decided I better "get in line" to get one.

Ended up getting an AAC Halcyon.

It's a two part suppressor that one can screw off the front two inches, if wanted, and made mostly from Titanium.

My dealer highly recommended this one, and he, and most of his employees own this one.

Went ahead and did the individual instead of a trust.

Hopefully it will go faster than a trust.

I've got a Ruger American 22 mag. that is threaded, and will have a threaded barrel for my new Glock 44, buy the time my wait is up.

Hurry up, and wait!!! (GRIN!!)

Virgil B.

Got mine out of jail the other day.
361 days since check cashed.
Form 4 trust.

My check was cashed in February. No word yet.

Tag for later...

My stamp came this week.