I don't have many right now a 45/70 and a .450 Marlin. I would like a .405 Winchester and a small bore .375 H& H. The great big .40 and .50 caliber belted magnums seem like too much of a good thing. Old Sawbones has a say in any further shoulder reconstructions-yeah, that's plural. When they speak of bone crushing rounds, it is generally our bones they are referring too.
My extended family didn't believe me when I told 'em to bring everything for the 1st annual family PD hunt. 10+ years on I've got nieces and nephews reminding me not to forget the 400 Jeff and the H&H. They luv shooting those two...
It's you and the bullet, and all the rest is secondary.
Only one “big-bore”, a 45-70. We do have a couple of full-time use “medium bores”.....a .338 WM and a .375 AI! memtb
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I have the following: 458 win mag built up on a Pattern 14. With 5 round capacity due to unaltered trigger guard and other modifications. Win 1886 45-70 CGH marked, H&R 45-70 single shot, Martini Enfield with frozen firing pin and other problems. Last time i looked thats all i have... Mel
Some 375 H&H's Some 375 Rugers A couple 416 Remingtons A couple 416 Rugers Some 45/70's A 458 Winchester A 458 Lott The 375's and 416's are definitely my favorites of those, today anyways.
458WM and 500NE currently on a diet of cast projectiles thanks to bursitis. I wanna chrono some "normal" loads from the bench for my 375H&HM - I'll see how that goes.
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.
That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.
Merry Christmas, I started this but didn't check until now. I like some of the old BB's , especially those that are pretty. I could never keep any rifle pretty. The English doubles can be ,but I fear the recoil shoulder busting when you get into the .450 and up range. The 45/70 teaches my limit
Depends on your definition of Big Bore. If we go with tradition, then I have one, a Verney Carron double in 450NE 3 1/4". If we go by the popular definition, then add 416 Rigby, 405 WCF, 45-110, 375 H&H & 375 Win "Big Bore"....
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Depends on your definition of Big Bore. If we go with tradition, then I have one, a Verney Carron double in 450NE 3 1/4". If we go by the popular definition, then add 416 Rigby, 405 WCF, 45-110, 375 H&H & 375 Win "Big Bore"....
jorge, I guess that I’m “old school”. For me......”big bores”, start at .40 caliber! memtb
You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong." -Bob Hagel
“I’d like to be a good rifleman…..but, I prefer to be a good hunter”! memtb 2024
Old school starts at 45.. a 40 (as a 416 Rigby, 404 Jeffries, etc would be a "medium")
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
Before I threw them all in the Ocean Rifles Custom Turnbull Winchester 1886 45 90 Ar50 50BMG Hand Guns SW 460 SW 500 Black Powder Blunderbuss I built from scratch (no Kit Gun) Bore was .788 shot a patched .760 round ball When I had just finished building it I was 120#s wet behind the ears and at stake shoots I would but 2 balls and 80grs of FF powder down it. It would slide me back a full step. last time I shot it I got fat and it did not slide me back.
Before I threw them all in the Ocean Rifles Custom Turnbull Winchester 1886 45 90 Ar50 50BMG Hand Guns SW 460 SW 500 Black Powder Blunderbuss I built from scratch (no Kit Gun) Bore was .788 shot a patched .760 round ball When I had just finished building it I was 120#s wet behind the ears and at stake shoots I would but 2 balls and 80grs of FF powder down it. It would slide me back a full step. last time I shot it I got fat and it did not slide me back.
That blunderbuss sounds like my grandpa's 12 gauge Boito single shot, it got meat on both ends!
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Before I threw them all in the Ocean Rifles Custom Turnbull Winchester 1886 45 90 Ar50 50BMG Hand Guns SW 460 SW 500 Black Powder Blunderbuss I built from scratch (no Kit Gun) Bore was .788 shot a patched .760 round ball When I had just finished building it I was 120#s wet behind the ears and at stake shoots I would but 2 balls and 80grs of FF powder down it. It would slide me back a full step. last time I shot it I got fat and it did not slide me back.
That blunderbuss sounds like my grandpa's 12 gauge Boito single shot, it got meat on both ends!
Everyone that watched me shoot it called it a Cannon on a stick. It is very spirited and a Blast to shoot in more ways that one after about ten shots it will road rash your shoulder pretty good.
It's an 8 Bore percussion rifle of early English style built by our forum member Steve Zihn, the standard load is 300 grains of blackpowder under an 800 grain pure lead round ball, it also has a hard ball load, that ball is cast with much harder alloy, then rolled across a set of flat files to 'score' the ball so it wont slip the patch after you add another 100 grains of powder, that load is the one the African Bore Rifle hunters used on all manner of dangerous game in the days of old, iirc, the 8 Bore is one of the best penetrators of all the Bore rifles, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, and 2 bore.
I couldn't reach Mr. Zihn on the phone one day, so I called a man in Kansas that apprenticed under him, he said that hard ball load was a real stoner of a killer, I have shot it, and it's most unpleasant recoil wise.
If you take a 10lb rifle, with 400 grains of powder under an 800 grain projectile at or near 1500 fps, free recoil is approaching or slightly exceeding 200 ft lbs, not for the timid, I brought that rifle to a 24HR pig shoot in Tennessee one year, but purposefully loaded only 200 grains of black powder in all the speed loaders, I didn't want anyone to get hurt shooting that thing, loaded full bore, it's not for the uneducated or unfamiliar!
Used to have a 405 Winchester in a Ruger #1, but I gave it to my son in law. Still have 2 45-70s, one in a H&R Buffalo Classic, and the other in a Marlin 1895. Also have a Traditions 50 cal flintlock and a Vaquero in 45 Colt and a Rossi Ranch hand in the same..
The Buffalo Classic is a hoot to shoot. 12 grains of Trail Boss and a 405 gr home cast is a great plinking round. Empty 12 gauge hulls at 50 yards is fun.
"Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life." (Prov 4:23)
I've got plenty of "brush guns" from .35 to .500 S&W, but when I think of "Big Bore" , I think "Africa" (never been and probably never will). My two are .404 Jeffery and .411 KDF Magnum.
Know a fella with a 8 bore SxS. It shot quite well, but he learned a painful lesson one day: don't cock both hammers before shooting. It was several weeks before he had full range of motion in his right shoulder...the rifle landed in soft sand about 15' behind him w/o damage.
I am..........disturbed.
Concerning the difference between man and the jackass: some observers hold that there isn't any. But this wrongs the jackass. -Twain
Know a fella with a 8 bore SxS. It shot quite well, but he learned a painful lesson one day: don't cock both hammers before shooting. It was several weeks before he had full range of motion in his right shoulder...the rifle landed in soft sand about 15' behind him w/o damage.
LOL Damn, especially if he had that thing loaded with 10-12 drams black powder DD, ho lee shlt!
Only "big bores" I own, by definition of diameter are a .45-70 and a .444 Marlin.
I have a .375 Weatherby, which I think, is a medium that THINKS it's a big bore.
Also have a Model 70 Classic in .300 Roy awaiting its transformation into a .470 Capstick………….just in case I ever find myself in jackrabbit country...…...
Only "big bores" I own, by definition of diameter are a .45-70 and a .444 Marlin.
I have a .375 Weatherby, which I think, is a medium that THINKS it's a big bore.
Also have a Model 70 Classic in .300 Roy awaiting its transformation into a .470 Capstick………….just in case I ever find myself in jackrabbit country...…...
Squirrels are pretty vicious...or so I've heard.
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I'm sure Irfubar will tell you but I'll chime in and say it's an American Akita, the American version of the Japanese Akita. Akita's are the most loyal of all dog breeds.
They can also be he most cat-like, willful, and stubborn but it's the only breed I will always have.
I like leverguns. The 45/70, 450 Marlin. They send 'em fast or slow, flat reciever slips on and out of a saddle scabbard. Shoots a rainbow....just follow the trajectory for your pot of gold. The .450 Marlin is underrated = 458×2. It would be nice in an expensive European double.
I am afraid this will be a disappointment. This is a 6 bore offered by Dixie Gun Works back around 1970. it had a full lenght stock with military like bands. I cut the stock down. I also converted it from flint lock to percussion. I dont know what load I used, but; the first shot knocked me off my feet and flat on my back. I guess at 150 pounds and 6 foot, I went over pretty easy. I gained a lot of body mass and find 200 grain loads with round balls reasonable. I think in the field probably 300 grains more effective at both ends. Pics from the 1971 catalog. The gun was sold without sights. I made up sights for it. I had not fired this in many decades. I took it out a few weeks ago to get re-acquainted. Dixie sold a round ball mold, which I got.
Edit: I think Gunner may have me mixed up with a seller/collector down in Conn.
I am afraid this will be a disappointment. This is a 6 bore offered by Dixie Gun Works back around 1970. it had a full lenght stock with military like bands. I cut the stock down. I also converted it from flint lock to percussion. I dont know what load I used, but; the first shot knocked me off my feet and flat on my back. I guess at 150 pounds and 6 foot, I went over pretty easy. I gained a lot of body mass and find 200 grain loads with round balls reasonable. I think in the field probably 300 grains more effective at both ends. Pics from the 1971 catalog. The gun was sold without sights. I made up sights for it. I had not fired this in many decades. I took it out a few weeks ago to get re-acquainted. Dixie sold a round ball mold, which I got.
Edit: I think Gunner may have me mixed up with a seller/collector down in Conn.
Used to shoot groundhogs with my BRNO 602 in 375H&H using Hornady 220gr FP's at 2700fps.
I've done similar - BRNO 602 375H&H 220gn Speers on rabbits. Consistently blew them 20 feet into the air, followed by the laugther of two young idiots.
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Originally Posted by Raspy
Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.
That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.
4 bore in action. The man shooting it is 5' 10" and weighed 175 lbs. 4 bore in action by Steve Zihn, on [bleep]
2 bore. 100_1426 by Steve Zihn, on [bleep] 100_1422 by Steve Zihn, on [bleep] 2 Bore muzzle by Steve Zihn, on [bleep] This one was taken during the build. That's my hand in the picture. If loaded to the same velocity the 2 bore will kick 4X (not 2X) harder then the 4 bore. Looking at the 1st picture you can see why no one does that.
LOL, I've seen that pic before and have always wondered if the kid recovered or did he hit the dirt, if my math is correct, a 2 Bore ball weighs 3500 grains?
CZ550 .458WM Zastava .357 H&H Zastava .375 Wby CZ550 Custom .458WM Winchester M70 .458WM Zastava .458WM Zastava .458WM
Below is a pic of my latest Zastava .458WM. lt's not very pretty but it's very practical
You'll probably never NEED a gun. In fact I hope you never do. BUT IF you do, you will probably need it worse than anything you've ever needed before in your life...
Well, let's see: a .500 NE Krieghoff double rifle, .500 Jeffery BRNO ZKK 602 action bolt gun, .505 Gibbs Granite Mountain action bolt gun, .505 SRE P14 Enfield action bolt gun, .450 Watts BRNO ZKK 602 action bolt gun, .450 C&W Magnum and .458 WM Krieghoff double rifles, .425 Westley Richards Model 70 Winchester Classic action bolt gun, .416 Rigby Oberndorf Magnum Mauser action bolt gun, .450/.400NE Farquharson single shot, .404 Jeffery Oberndorf Magnum Mauser action bolt gun and a .375 H&H Model 70 Winchester.
The one I've killed the most African dangerous game with, however, is this one, the .505 SRE, a cartridge I designed myself, using a .460 Weatherby case shortened to 2.500" and opened to accept the .505 projectile. 90 grains of IMR 4064 propels a 570 grain FMJ bullet at 2150 fps. It puts the elephant and rhinos down.
The .450 C&W Magnum is the one on the left, the .505 SRE in the middle and the .577 VSRE (which I no longer own) on the right. 750 grain bullet at 2050 fps.
You'll probably never NEED a gun. In fact I hope you never do. BUT IF you do, you will probably need it worse than anything you've ever needed before in your life...
I have owned several .416 rifles including a Model 70 and it was a great and practical rifle, but I am an absolute sucker for .458 caliber and the 300 - 600 grain bullets that handle 200- 6,000 pound mammals.
When truth is ignored, it does not change an untruth from remaining a lie.
I have owned several .416 rifles including a Model 70 and it was a great and practical rifle, but I am an absolute sucker for .458 caliber and the 300 - 600 grain bullets that handle 200- 6,000 pound mammals.
I’m with you. I’m a .458 caliber junkie - especially the Win Mag. I’ve owned several and none have disappointed performance wise. Given the right load I don’t think that people realise just how versatile it can really be...
You'll probably never NEED a gun. In fact I hope you never do. BUT IF you do, you will probably need it worse than anything you've ever needed before in your life...
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
.416 Rigby and .458 Lott - never shot anything bigger than a prairie dog with either, but with solids they'll do the job on a 'dog hiding on the other side of a mound.
Though I don't think of them as big bores, (in the elephant gun sense) add three .45-70s.
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Man that's cool as hell, would like to shoot it and meet the man that gassed that thing so it would run right, what a sweet piece, Congrats!
.416 Rigby and .458 Lott - never shot anything bigger than a prairie dog with either, but with solids they'll do the job on a 'dog hiding on the other side of a mound.
Though I don't think of them as big bores, (in the elephant gun sense) add three .45-70s.
I use my big bores on rabbits.
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Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Man that's cool as hell, would like to shoot it and meet the man that gassed that thing so it would run right, what a sweet piece, Congrats!
What a fine rifle..congratulations,,have fun,,,
That would be a sweet rig when I have to go out at 2AM to do business with these pricks around here!
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Man that's cool as hell, would like to shoot it and meet the man that gassed that thing so it would run right, what a sweet piece, Congrats!
What a fine rifle..congratulations,,have fun,,,
That would be a sweet rig when I have to go out at 2AM to do business with these pricks around here!
Damn right, three big bulbous nosed 500gr Woodleighs down and one in the pipe aint going to buff out.
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Man that's cool as hell, would like to shoot it and meet the man that gassed that thing so it would run right, what a sweet piece, Congrats!
She runs right, from 500 grain FMJ Remington factory to my 350 grain medium reloads. I've got about 40 rounds thru it so far, kick is about like a 300-338 win mag, NOTHING like a bolt 458!
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Here's me one-off Browning BAR .458 Win Mag. Made in the 70s by Atkinson Gun, and featured in Guns & Ammo magazine in their September 1974 edition. I recall as a teenager reading about it, now I am fortunate enough to OWN it!
Man that's cool as hell, would like to shoot it and meet the man that gassed that thing so it would run right, what a sweet piece, Congrats!
She runs right, from 500 grain FMJ Remington factory to my 350 grain medium reloads. I've got about 40 rounds thru it so far, kick is about like a 300-338 win mag, NOTHING like a bolt 458!
F'N sweet man, anyway you cut it, I have a Belgium BAR grade II in 338 WM, it's a sweetheart in it's own right, 250gr Partitions at 2700 wont refuse much ; ]
I recall reading that G&A article on the BAR in 458. It left a lasting impression on a young shooter. I think I might even have that magazine somewhere.
Congrats on such an unusual find.
One of our local deer hunters had one built and he used to use it as his hound hunting rifle. He loaded Hornady 350gr RN pills and it was very effective. Unfortunately we were no longer trusted to have semi auto rifles in 1996 and it had to be handed in to be destroyed.
Not modern, but it is a big bore, Flattened ball was recovered from a elm tree. The rear stock is 1/2" aluminum plate with lead added. Walnut slab sides. Has a slow steady push and some muzzle lift. Ever shoot a deer with a golf ball? Kind of what this looks like.
Weatherby Mark V 375 H&H safari classic. The Weatherby that doesn't look like a Weatherby. AAA english stock, straight comb, no monte carlo, 24 inch #3contour barrel with quarter rib featuring a fixed v rear sight and one folding leaf, barrel band front swivel, hooded front sight with brass bead, steel grip cap, engraved floor plate with banner saying safari classic. Only about 140 made in 1992. Neat gun that also shoots. JM
Just a No.1 in .450/400 here. The heavy-barrel version, I think there were only 20-some made of that variety. I've got brass and primers for it, looking for a good mold to cast boolits for it. I refuse to buy ammo at $4/round. REALLY looking forward to shooting this one.
I used to have a .450 Marlin, one of the first-year Guide Guns, now there was a rifle that was a hoot to shoot. One time I took it to the range and the pressure through the barrel ports blew the empty cartridge boxes off the shooters' benches to my right and left! Very accurate, too, it was easy to pick off sporting clays on the berm at 100 yards with open sights. I'd start to get a headache after 5 full-power rounds, but that rifle was FUN.
I've got several. In order of decreasing power at max load: A .416 Rigby on a CZ action, a nitro .50-110 on an 1886 action, a .375 H&H MRC 1999, a nitro .45-90 1885 (largely unusable due to recoil), and a nitro .45-90 1886. Plus a few pistol cartridge lever guns that are technically big bores but don't really count.
I have some 45-70s, other stuff, but that sinkhole in the back yard, you know...........
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I have a 416 Rigby, in a CZ550 Magnum (Euro Stocked) I have owned for a long time now, and a Brno .vz 24 custom 458 Magnum I bought recently and have not shot yet. In mediums I have a Winchester Model 70 in 375 H&H, a Number 3 Ruger in 375 Express (Ken Waters design) which is being re-chambered to 375 H&H, and a 358 Win in a BLR as well as a 358RCM in a Hawkeye. At times I carry a 45-70 TC Super 16 either as a carbine or a pistol. I won't add other pistols to the list, but do have a pair of S&W 460s.
The 358, 375 Express and 416 have taken game in my hands, deer and bear, but all except the 458 have been carried afield.
The larger rounds are a lot of fun, no one wants to shot your 270, everyone wants to shot your 375, and everyone smiles when that 45-70 pistol hits what they were shooting at 100 yards out.
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