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So I'm considering two shelters, Hilleberg Nammatj 2p (with optional mesh inner for warmer scenarios) or Luxe octopeak with 18" LO cylinder stove (with 1p inner nest for warmer scenarios).
My concern is I need a shelter that can withstand up to 70mph winds and a foot of snow. (Ie literal weather that has caused me to pull stakes and leave).
Will a tipi handle that weather/wind? A stove would be nice, but strength is more important.
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we have used those old green military tents in the mountains ,their kinda round and very heavy but do work well.
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I have used two Hilleberg tents in severe conditions in the west and Alaska. I believe they would hold up. Also used a Tipi not so sure about it staying up in those conditions. It would handle the snow but I don't know about 70 mph wind.
I came back to a mess with the tipi when the wind got under it and pulled most of the pegs out.
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My 8 man Kifaru tipi survived a 70 knot blow while hunting caribou on the Alaska Peninsula. Regardless of which tent you get, you can markedly increase it's resistance to wind damage with a simple modification. At the tie down points (especially those midway up the tent side) make a loop of shock cord through the tie out point and closed with 2 hog rings. You need hog ring pliers to close the rings. I would not have tent without a stove unless camping June through August.
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I don't have firsthand experience with the specific models you're considering, but do have extensive experience with various heated, floorless SilNylon tipis/Mids. IME, they will stand up to very high winds if well pitched, even if it's a relatively exposed site. Their main disadvantage in winter conditions is that snow tends to slide down the sides- piling up on the edges if the shelter is unattended- collapsing the shelter in some cases. IE; heavy snowfall w/o wind. They are still my preferred shelter type, but that is a limitation to keep in mind. IME.
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I don't have firsthand experience with the specific models you're considering, but do have extensive experience with various heated, floorless SilNylon tipis/Mids. IME, they will stand up to very high winds if well pitched, even if it's a relatively exposed site. Their main disadvantage in winter conditions is that snow tends to slide down the sides- piling up on the edges if the shelter is unattended- collapsing the shelter in some cases. IE; heavy snowfall w/o wind. They are still my preferred shelter type, but that is a limitation to keep in mind. IME. LOL, “relatively exposed site”?? I don’t know if you could get any more exposed! 
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I don't have firsthand experience with the specific models you're considering, but do have extensive experience with various heated, floorless SilNylon tipis/Mids. IME, they will stand up to very high winds if well pitched, even if it's a relatively exposed site. Their main disadvantage in winter conditions is that snow tends to slide down the sides- piling up on the edges if the shelter is unattended- collapsing the shelter in some cases. IE; heavy snowfall w/o wind. They are still my preferred shelter type, but that is a limitation to keep in mind. IME. LOL, “relatively exposed site”?? I don’t know if you could get any more exposed! Betting I know where you're thinking, and that site was definitely a roll of the dice. We came up with snake eyes... LOL. Maybe a wind tunnel?
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No experience with Luxe but lots with other Tipis.
I had a Kifaru 8 man that withstood 108 mph actual measured wind gusts.
I have had a Mountain Smith 4 man with the center pole broken due to snow load. The tipi was left for a couple days with no one there.
So in my experience, if you are expecting heavy snow load, especially if wet, be there to push it off from the inside.
For wind and snow make sure your pegs are bomber. If one peg goes you will likely lose them all.
I like the MSR pegs best. Ground Hogs and Cyclones.
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I've used my 12 man Kifaru in extreme winds but if I know I'm going to an area of extreme
weather, I take my Hilleberg Tara as it'll handle it all.
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I use a Kuiu Storm Star 2P for 4-season backpacking. It's a genuine 2 person tent with two doors and two vestibules that weighs only 5 1/2 #. Don't believe claims that a tipi is as aerodynamic as a dome tent. It's not. In 2016, I setup a camp on the Kivalena River, above the Arctic Circle, using a Cabelas XPG-4 (free-standing dome) as a sleeping tent and Sierra Designs Origami-4 tipi as a cook shack. The dome tent had no problems shedding the wind. The tipi was ruined by the wind. IMHO wood burning stoves inside a backpack tent are more work than they are worth. Kuiu Storm Star 2P ![[Linked Image from kuiu.com]](https://www.kuiu.com/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-master-catalog/default/dwb368706c/images/hi-res/Sleep%20System/Storm%20Star%202P/StormStar-2.jpg) The Hilleberg Janu -2 is just as good as the KUIU tent but a little more expensive. Hilleberg Janu-2 tent
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Personally I don't see comparing the two. For me anyways they provide two totally different purposes.
I am not packing a Teepee climbing mountains or on extended backpacking trips. As I am not packing a Two man tent for extended stays for a base camp to hunt out of.
So I have both to cover my needs.
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I use a Kuiu Storm Star 2P for 4-season backpacking. It's a genuine 2 person tent with two doors and two vestibules that weighs only 5 1/2 #. Don't believe claims that a tipi is as aerodynamic as a dome tent. It's not. In 2016, I setup a camp on the Kivalena River, above the Arctic Circle, using a Cabelas XPG-4 (free-standing dome) as a sleeping tent and Sierra Designs Origami-4 tipi as a cook shack. The dome tent had no problems shedding the wind. The tipi was ruined by the wind. IMHO wood burning stoves inside a backpack tent are more work than they are worth. Kuiu Storm Star 2P The Hilleberg Janu -2 is just as good as the KUIU tent but a little more expensive. Hilleberg Janu-2 tent Similar seams and attachments to my MH EV-3 (6.5lb, full 3 person), but am really liking the pole "boots" at the stakes on the Kuiu. The rainfly from my NF Guide Tent (roomy, very strong storm tent) fits perfectly for warm, soggy camps in Spring/Summer. If I didn't have so much gear already, would probably pick up Hilleberg product. https://www.moosejaw.com/product/mountain-hardwear-ev-3-tent_10235935
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I am not packing a Teepee climbing mountains or on extended backpacking trips. As I am not packing a Two man tent for extended stays for a base camp to hunt out of. MCH: I agree. So when, what situation, is the tipi the best alternative? KC
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Expensive and a little larger and heavier, the Mountain Hardwear Trango tents are real good. The one I have I don't believe is made any more, the Trango 3 Arch is perfect for 2 or 3 with a little more headroom for sitting up if needed in prolonged bad weather.
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I've considered the kuiu storm, however the vestibule space seems lacking. One big selling point to me with the Nammatj is the optional mesh inner tent for early season use (and the two large vents).
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I am not packing a Teepee climbing mountains or on extended backpacking trips. As I am not packing a Two man tent for extended stays for a base camp to hunt out of. MCH: I agree. So when, what situation, is the tipi the best alternative? KC For me it is the best when I am packing into a big drainage to hunt for an extended period of time. Like a week or more. Were I want to be able to heat up the tent to dry clothes and equipment. Were I want to be able to stand up, spread out my gear, and have ample room for multiple hunters if I am not soloing. Basically a Base Camp to hunt out of that provides me a little more comfort than a tent. I use and don't mind a tent at all hunting for a few days. But anymore than a few days I want a big happy space! 
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"IMHO wood burning stoves inside a backpack tent are more work than they are worth."
KC: I disagree. Hunted New Zealand South Island for tahr. GoLite Shangri-La 3 weighed about 4 pounds with stove jack sewn in. When the snows hit us in the mountains the 2 guys in the backpacking tent squeezed around the small stove with us. The stove required a lot of tending but no one was complaining about the heat.
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Three days with another hunter is enough for me in a tent like this! ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/FRX8sJ89/IMG-1953.jpg)
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Yes that the dilemma. Room and heating the tipi, but I'm just a little iffy on the strength. Oh well maybe I'll flip a coin..
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