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Shipped donor rifle to Redneck for a 26” 6.5CM barrel and some TLC.

Thanks to everyone for your input (even if I did not agree)!


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Was poking around a little, found that the 20 mm Vulcan projectile weighs about 1525 gr and has a MV of 3450 fps. The Creed no longer impresses me.

Rumor has it that ElkhunterNM is going to be using one on jackrabbits next spring.

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I am heading to the loading room before spring comes to my part of Alaska and load up a bunch of the 127 grain Barnes LRX bullets for my Tikka T3X Superlite in 6.5 Creed. I had the barrel cut to 22 inches.

I have H4350, H4831, Hunter, H100 and RL 19 and I forget what else on the shelves. I think H4350 is the best for temps and Hunter not so good. I have never see a can of RL 26. I do wish RL 19 was better with temps, as the 30-06, .338 Winny and a .243 Winny shot well with that powder.

I am leaning towards a powder that handles temp swings as this rifle may be used for winter caribou and wolf hunts. It has a SWFA 3-9x42 FFP Mil scope on it and I will contact Barnes as to minimum required impact velocity for that bullet. Which I would think depends some what on whether bone is hit. Then I will limit my distance based on that info with a bit of a safety margin figured in.

I'm digging out MD's two Gun Gack books and cruising the internet for the best powder for my needs. That and sorting through the Campfire's info.

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I don't own a creed but the 6.5x55 thrives on R26, R23, & R16. Since there is only a 5 grain difference in case capacity these may serve you well in the Creedmoor. R26 gets iffy above 90 degrees but I doubt you will have issues with that in AK. R23 & 16 are very temperature resistant and sometimes gain velocity in colder weather. If you can't get these 4451 is worth a try. Barnes list the LRX down to 1,600 fps for expansion, but if you want more or fuller expansion then around 1,900 fps is more of a sure thing. I have only shot two deer with the Hornaday ELD-X but I believe their claims of 1,600 fps expansion threshold, they are a bit messy at close ranges but that is the trade off. Bergers not sure but the minimum velocity may be even lower, they are nasty at high speeds.

If you want a long range bullet don't pick a hard one and hope it will perform, this even inside 350 yards. I usually try to load a short and long range bullet and load them to the same point of aim, also usually a cheaper bullet paired with a more expensive one.

I wish that I could have gone on a high volume caribou hunt when I was in Unalakleet but I was always too busy guiding fisherman. In the bad old days the entire village would pool their permits and a couple of hunters would proceed to supply the village with their winters provisions.


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Tejano,

My plans with this project are to shoot 120 mono metals fast enough to get expansion at my 450 yard range limit yet have a bullet that won’t blow up at close range. Up close I plan to use heart-lung. Farther out I’d switch to break some bone. There are always head & neck shots if conditions warrant. - Not original ideas of mine, I picked them up here on 24CF.

So I am thinking of one bullet to do everything on deer-class game with different shot placement based upon distance.

I think this is a realistic plan for this project, a 26” 6.5 CM built on a M70 by Redneck. Goal is enough muzzle velocity to get >= 2000 FPS @ 450 yards, around sea level with 120gr mono metals. From reading a great many posts here, most folks recommend 2000 FPS as the minimum impact velocity for expansion. That’s where I got my goal from, 24CF opinions.

My M96 has a 19” barrel and was a military rifle that someone sporterized very crudely. On it’s best day, it will do 2” groups at 100 yards. I started my kids on it years ago hunting from deer stands in the South Carolina low country. For some reason it liked IMR 3031 and Sierra 120gr the best at around 2350 FPS according to my chronograph. Killed well at 50 to 80 yards.

I bought up the tipped 120gr mono metals as they became available, thinking that I would try to them out at faster speed, but never got around to it.


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41.8 of big game is pushing 130 game changers in my 6.5CM at 2900 +/-
Tikka with 24 “ barrel
I’d think 120s should be little faster.
I have 127LRX I plan on trying hunter and big game

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120 ETip with 48.5 gr of Hunter at 3068

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Originally Posted by ShortRifleFan
For my purposes, I want to shoot 120 grain mono metal bullets in a 6.5 CM. Is that realistic? What barrel length is needed, 22”, 24”, or 26”? This is for a new bolt rifle or a rebarreled M70. I don’t own a 6.5 CM at this time.

Recommended powder, primer, and brass also appreciated.

I have a bunch of 120 gr TTSX, ETip, and GMX leftover from a 6.5 M96 Swede...


My hunting partner shoots a Kimber Mtn Ascent with 22" bbl. He is not a reloader, which isn't needed for the creed. We chrono'd his rifle with my magneto speed shooting the 120 GMX Superformance. Avg velocity is 2962 fps with a SD = 6.4. With that type of results why even attempt to reload just go hunt.

That's what we did. Here is the link to the performance of that 120 GMX vs. CO muley buck: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/galleries/14575484#Post14575484


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Has anyone tried the 120 Speer gold dots?

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SRF, I talked to Barnes the other day and found out most of the LRX bullets I use, will according to them, expand well down to about 1500 FPS. For both my daughter and my model 70 6.5 CMs the 127 LRX has proven to be a great choice.

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My 6.5 Creed 18" barrel Kimber Adirondack averaged 2850 fps with Hornadys Full Boar 120 gr GMX, 2823 fps with Hornady 129 gr SST Superformance, 2605 fps with Federal Berger 135 gr Hybrid Hunter. I used to be 3000 fps or die/trade. With all the different "range compensating" reticles available I have come to peace with a little less. I have been a reloader since 1976...the factory loads for this rifle has made that obsession a little calmer. I can't live with 135 gr at 2605 fps. This rifle is too much fun to carry.

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A lifetime ago, Elmer Keith wrote that the most reliable bullet performance and penetration comes from cartridges that start in the 2400-2800fps range,
Obviously this was themed on the bullet designs of the time but I can say that I have noted the same thing apart from the exception of bullet speeds that go way past 3000fps with the .257 Weatherby being a good example. Savvy handloaders who have been using tough 120 grain bullets in the 7mm Magnums will also have noted this.

But, high velocity isn't the only difference and yet it still is, relative to caliber and bullet weight, an example being those familiar with a .375 H&H performance as a step up over .30/06 level of performance as a recognizable jump many comment upon, but it happens again when the .460 Weatherby is used. These 3 levels tend to revert an experienced person to think that most everything from 6.5's to .338's are more similar than dissimilar to the performance of a .270. They tend to lump together as a performance category and you see that here whenever deer or elk cartridges are discussed, because they all do similar work when well delivered.

So, I would recommend simply looking for a load that little 6.5 digests that proves accurate and then concentrate on placing it as well as you can and that is the reasonable value you can expect from that cartridge. Setting personal goals that push things to the endth limits only causes stress and wear on the components of the build, starting with the brass. Enjoy the rifle and worry less about the load as most 6.5mm bullet will do what 6.5mm cartridges are commonly used for.


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Originally Posted by Mule Deer
Ramshot's data lists 2997 fps as max with the 120 Ballistic Tip, using Hunter in a 24" barrel, at 58,280 PSI.

The SAAMI pressure for the round is relatively low; dunno why, since it tends to be very consistent ballistically. A lot of reloaders push published loads another grain or so. (Others push it a LOT.)

I got around 3100 with the 120 Ballistic Tip with Hunter from the 26" barrel of my first Creedmoor, with fine accuracy. That was a factory Ruger barrel, not a custom with a minimum chamber or bore.


My 26" Ruger does the same, good accuracy and doesn't show signs of pressure. Mine gets better accuracy backed off to about 2900 FPS so that's what I shoot.

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strikes me as a sound, well considered approach


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Originally Posted by AussieGunWriter
A lifetime ago, Elmer Keith wrote that the most reliable bullet performance and penetration comes from cartridges that start in the 2400-2800fps range,
Obviously this was themed on the bullet designs of the time but I can say that I have noted the same thing apart from the exception of bullet speeds that go way past 3000fps with the .257 Weatherby being a good example. Savvy handloaders who have been using tough 120 grain bullets in the 7mm Magnums will also have noted this.

But, high velocity isn't the only difference and yet it still is, relative to caliber and bullet weight, an example being those familiar with a .375 H&H performance as a step up over .30/06 level of performance as a recognizable jump many comment upon, but it happens again when the .460 Weatherby is used. These 3 levels tend to revert an experienced person to think that most everything from 6.5's to .338's are more similar than dissimilar to the performance of a .270. They tend to lump together as a performance category and you see that here whenever deer or elk cartridges are discussed, because they all do similar work when well delivered.

So, I would recommend simply looking for a load that little 6.5 digests that proves accurate and then concentrate on placing it as well as you can and that is the reasonable value you can expect from that cartridge. Setting personal goals that push things to the endth limits only causes stress and wear on the components of the build, starting with the brass. Enjoy the rifle and worry less about the load as most 6.5mm bullet will do what 6.5mm cartridges are commonly used for.


I believe one of our very fine gunwriters wrote an article (sub)titled “2,700 or bust” for Rifle or Handloader magazine. Very fine article!


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A little late to the discussion but I am getting 2880~ with 120 BT's and Varget from a 20" AR


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Worked with Staball and the 120TTSX and 120 E Tip out of a Howa Alpine in 6.5 creed (20" barrel). Ran into stiff bolt lift at 44 grains and the velocities where just short of 2700 for the TTSX and just over 2700 for the E Tip. A bit disappointed with this powder. Plan to try RL 16 and H4350 next.

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I've got a .250 Savage, yes a little pip squeek .250 it has a 26" barrel and a really long throat and with a healthy dose of RL-17 it will spin 150 grain Ballistic Tips out the Muzzle at a little over 2900 FPS without any signs of excess pressure. My Chrony says 3000 but I've since checked and my Chrony reads a little high, So yes I believe a 6.5 CM with a 120 grain whatever and the right powder could top 3000 FPS safely depending on barrel length and throat dimensions.

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Originally Posted by Filaman
I've got a .250 Savage, yes a little pip squeek .250 it has a 26" barrel and a really long throat and with a healthy dose of RL-17 it will spin 150 grain Ballistic Tips out the Muzzle at a little over 2900 FPS without any signs of excess pressure. My Chrony says 3000 but I've since checked and my Chrony reads a little high, So yes I believe a 6.5 CM with a 120 grain whatever and the right powder could top 3000 FPS safely depending on barrel length and throat dimensions.


Are you sure your shooting s 150 grain bullet out of a 25p Savage?



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6.5-06 120 gr Nos bal tip moly 3.34" 50.7 gr IMR4166 3200 fps chrono

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