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Gunner I have 6.5-06 and a 280 A.I. reamers if you need them. I just did a M-700 with a 8 twist Rock Creek in 6.5-06 and finished it at 25". Set in a "McWoody" it is about a #4 contour. Necked down about 70ish .270 brass and will fire it early next week. PM me your cell and I will send some pics.... Dana
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd but I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John John, the 270 would be what I'd do, but since it didn't come up by the OP I didn't venture into the red light district of the 270. Hence the 6.5x55 recommendation.  On a Model 70, me three. A fast twist 270 would be fun. Tweak some noses too. Did it. Rebarreled a Kimber 84L to 270Win with a 1:8 Lilja factory contour dupe @22”. 150gn ABLR’s @ 3050 via r-26 in Rem brass. Can’t imagine going with those 170 Bergers @ .661 vs a150 ABLR @ .591 Given the velocity and mag box confines one would lose w/the extra 20gn of bullet weight........
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Thanks DF, useful info Sir.
Brad, yes, standard long action, I'm seeing Lapua brass for a lot more cartridges these days, a very good thing indeed.
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Josh, 8 twist it will be, barrel contour would be ideal at .600 ish at 27-28 inches, may imbalance the little Edge stock a bit but that's okay, I routinely carry 16 lb bull barrel Sharps rifles in 45-110 and 50-90, I'm used to hand sliding a rifle to find a carry point ; ] Who's Shaen?
iddave, those look pretty good and bring a 25-06 or AI'd version into the mix, I do have a set of Redding 25-06 AI dies.
CRS, 10-4 on the PRC, I didn't realize it had been a factory offering, more research to do, taking into account a little more 'Smith work to get it running smooth.
one horn, I've always enjoyed the k.i.s.s. solution when available, that, and the action I have to work with is standard long, makes the 6.5-06 a strong contender still.
LOL 7mmMato, a few of us here are thinking alike.
peeshooter, I've always thought about the 6.5x47 Lapua or the 284 version for the cool factor and impossible to top [that I've worked with] Lapua brass, Thank You. Shooter71 here.... I don’t foresee any feeding issues with the PRC case out of your action. The 284 case can cause problems with the rebated rim. Remember the Win 70 action is quite a bit shorter than a Rem 700, and that’s why guys seem to have trouble with them in the Rems. That’d be something else I’d keep in mind going forward with some of the recommendations presented. I just cycled 10 loaded 6.5 PRC rounds through a 70 action and it didn’t give me a hiccup. I think a 24” tube would be plenty barrel length for anything you build in that stock. I happily run mine at 18”, but it was built to run suppressed 100% of the time. Difference of opinion here, but I wouldn’t be building a hunting rifle around one bullet. IE 131 Blackjacks...esp being made by Sierra.
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Hondo, oh damn! never I thought I'd see/hear about a fast twist 270 Winchester lol, i'll give it some research, Thanks.
Thanks northcountry, I looked that 131 up yesterday, very interesting, the 6.5x47 Lapua is starting to shine with it's longer barrel life offering.
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LOL MadMooner, tweaking noses at the long range rifle rock shoot with a 270 would indeed leave a mark, especially if you won and loaded that case of Samuel Smith Imperial stout in your truck and drove away smiling ; ]
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Josh, thanks for the Shooter71 tip, now I know who to look for, 27 or 28 inches of barrel will be okay for this build, it wont be a walking hunting rifle, mainly back porch varminting, or as said earlier, throw it in a big Pelican and go shoot rocks with buds for beer ; ]
With the 6.5 PRC being basically a short magnum, a lot of bullet could indeed be left out of the case, something I hadn't thought about with the 6.5-06 and a standard M-70 mag box, I would be deep in the powder supply with some projectiles.
About the 131 Blackjack maker, I did some reading up on the 'Sierra' 150gr bullet in 6.5, not the best reviews, with some even reporting bullet blow up due to high twist barrels.
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If you are set on a 6.5, have you considered the new 6.5 Weatherby RPM? It has more capacity than the PRC and the 284 case. I would also consider a 6mm CM over a 243 simply due to the bullets in factory ammo.
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Josh, thanks for the Shooter71 tip, now I know who to look for, 27 or 28 inches of barrel will be okay for this build, it wont be a walking hunting rifle, mainly back porch varminting, or as said earlier, throw it in a big Pelican and go shoot rocks with buds for beer ; ]
With the 6.5 PRC being basically a short magnum, a lot of bullet could indeed be left out of the case, something I hadn't thought about with the 6.5-06 and a standard M-70 mag box, I would be deep in the powder supply with some projectiles.
About the 131 Blackjack maker, I did some reading up on the 'Sierra' 150gr bullet in 6.5, not the best reviews, with some even reporting bullet blow up due to high twist barrels. The Hornady 147s haven’t been immune to that either. Blowups seem to be happening more in 5R barrels from my experiences. My Bart 2B PRC was POOFing them started at 2945. 6.5 SAUM was keeping them together but there was enough “damage” done to the jackets that BC degradation was extremely high. Both get 139 Scenars fed through them, which isn’t a bad compromise. I know there are LOTs of people that are running the 147s at those velocities without a hiccup. My two barrels just wouldn’t...
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Thanks Micky, have never heard of the 6.5 RPM, will look it up, I'm a hand loader and wouldn't purposefully shoot any factory load save the 22LR and 12 Gauge.
Well damn Josh, that has me thinking the longest, skinniest Barnes LRX/Nosler LRAB for my needs, a damn 300 lb wild boar facing away isn't going to be impressed with any bullet marginally remaining in tact at 75 or 750 yards.
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Thanks Micky, have never heard of the 6.5 RPM, will look it up, I'm a hand loader and wouldn't purposefully shoot any factory load save the 22LR and 12 Gauge.
Well damn Josh, that has me thinking the longest, skinniest Barnes LRX/Nosler LRAB for my needs, a damn 300 lb wild boar facing away isn't going to be impressed with any bullet marginally remaining in tact at 75 or 750 yards. Personally I’d wait till he turned broadside anyhow....grin... Lots of good options out there. Like I said, plenty of people shooting 147s at magnum velocities with good luck.
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 surely to hell the 270 Winchester and it's new bullet for fast twist wont end up being the be all end all.........................
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If a fast twist, vld'd up .270 rifle is allowed to the results would meet or exceed most other equivalent chamberings. Sadly, there would be no more Creedmoor speak. Those industrious little engineers diligently trying to find something new could be scrambling for a job. Just pontificating life
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surely to hell the 270 Winchester and it's new bullet for fast twist wont end up being the be all end all......................... Of course not. While going down range, any bullet of a given BC at a given velocity is going to perform very similarly to a different bullet of like BC and velocity. Doesn’t matter what cartridge it’s launched from. But, factory ammo availability rates a thought, especially if you do any airline traveling for your hunting. If the PRC grabs as solid a foothold as the Creedmoor did, it will surely rate consideration. As pointed out above, give some thought to magazine length if leaning toward the .270. When I made the suggestion, I was thinking 700 length magazine. Others are shorter... John
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Any of the 6.5 listed above would be cool. Some of the wildcat calibers especially those based on the 284 case are just more problematic to get work.
The boring solution is a 25-06, 257 roberts, 6.5x55,, 270 or a of course the campfire favorite the 6.5 creedmoor
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When I do another long action cartridge, it will likely be a .270, twisted to spin these: https://bergerbullets.com/product/270-caliber-170-grain-extreme-outer-limits-eol-elite-hunter/I know it sounds odd but I have my reasons: -If I need it, factory .270 ammo is available anywhere. -More .277 high BC VLD type bullets are starting to show up. With bullets similar to the Berger linked above it will hang with pretty much anything out there. Someone on this forum often voices the astute observation that “bullets matter more than headstamps.” -I have more DRT kills with a .270 than any other cartridge. Probably just luck of the draw when compared to other cartridges but it inspires much confidence. -Finally, similarly to the 6.5 Creedmoor, I’d do it just to irritate all the haters. 😂😂 John John, the 270 would be what I'd do, but since it didn't come up by the OP I didn't venture into the red light district of the 270. Hence the 6.5x55 recommendation. On a Model 70, me three. A fast twist 270 would be fun. Tweak some noses too. Did it. Rebarreled a Kimber 84L to 270Win with a 1:8 Lilja factory contour dupe @22”. 150gn ABLR’s @ 3050 via r-26 in Rem brass. Can’t imagine going with those 170 Bergers @ .661 vs a150 ABLR @ .591 Given the velocity and mag box confines one would lose w/the extra 20gn of bullet weight........ The Kimber long action magazine constraints have been mentioned often. Definitely facing some limitations there. Not sure what COAL the long action Winchester will allow, so would definitely do some measuring before going with an ‘06 case with long VLD type bullets. A long action 700 magazine will allow about 3.7” so no worries there. Edited to add that a little googling tells me the LA M70 magazine is 3.4”. So, were it me, for anything in an ‘06 case, I would load up a dummy or two with the longest bullet I will shoot through it and see what’s what before jumping in. John
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Thanks again Hondo and 1911, I'm really starting to like the sounds of the 6.5x47 Lapua, in a long action I would have miles of bullet shank to leave out of the case, I'm going to look up ballistics and see what folk are getting with the little banger.
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Pretty much dupes the 6.5CM and 260 in performance....
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6.5 PRC or 6.5 Creed Moor. 6.5 X 284 to much of a gamble getting the reamer match the brass and dies. IMHO and about 2.5 K wasted!
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Thanks again Hondo and 1911, I'm really starting to like the sounds of the 6.5x47 Lapua, in a long action I would have miles of bullet shank to leave out of the case, I'm going to look up ballistics and see what folk are getting with the little banger. I’ve had a couple of 6.5x47s and really like the cartridge. That being said, in that length magazine, it offers nothing over the Creedmoor and affordable factory ammo is waayyy more available for the Creedmoor. John
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