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I have heard the 300 Savage referred to as the original short magnum. I have one and it's a great cartridge that I wouldn't be afraid to use on any animal with the possible exception of the big bears.
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I do remember reading although I can’t remember where, that the 300 Savage was tested extensively as a light machine gun round in the late 40’s.
As I remember, it seems that there were feeding issues with the 300 Savage having something to do with the neck.
A result of this testing resulted in the birth of the 308 Winchester.
Now, I probably don’t have all of the details correct concerning the issue because it’s been awhile since I read that but someone on here would know and could refresh my memory. > what a older engineer at Federal Cartridge explained to me in detail was the 300 Savage was an excellent candidate to use in a machine gun and the U.S. military almost used the 300 Savage instead of the 308 Winchester, but Washington dirty politics and money under the table made the decision for our military to use the 308 Winchester instead. and now today its name seems to have change too ? a Grin and a head shake The 7.62x51 was developed at the Frankford Arsenal, starting with .300 (case # T-65) in 1945. Frankford kept working the cartridge until 1949, changing the length, rim thickness, extractor grooves etc. until the 7.62x51mm cartridge was developed. With Frankford changing different dimensions of the .300 for so many years to create the 7.62x51mm, it makes it less of a chance of dirty politics and rather trying to make a better cartridge. 7.62x51mm developmentYes, this sounds very familiar to what I read. Thanks for the info!
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Not trying to high jack this thread, but why was the 300 Savage such a popular conversion in Arisaka Type 99 rifles after WWII?
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Who ever designed that cartridge has my respect and I think in some ways it was ahead of the times. How good was the Mod. 99 in .300 Savage? I still have the one my Dad brought when we moved to Alaska in 1965. Still have the old Weaver with the Post reticle. Dad and his life time friend Ken who moved to Cantwell in the 50's used that set up for years and even though Dad moved to his beloved old Mod. 70 .264 Winny he always had a soft spot for the .300 Savage he used on mule deer and antelope on his "out West" hunts.
Any way, his friend Ken used his old peep sighted .300 to drop 5 caribou in very short order when he caught them on a little frozen pond during a winter hunt. The limit back in "the day" was either 4 or 5 on the Nelchina herd. They gutted them hopped on the snow go's and towed them to the pickups and loaded up. Hung them from the engine hoist beam in my Dad's big shop up in the Slana River Valley about 40 miles from Tok and skinned them when they thawed. Ken used that old peep sighted .300 on many a caribou and moose, with no complaints. Dang, I miss those days and wish I could turn back the clock.
The old rifle is a safe queen now and my wife said to hang it up some where in the living room. I love that gal. I remember the Nelchina herd limit being 6 in the '60s. I know I got to shoot 6 caribou several times on single trips.
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Just for completeness, here is the notice from Leverbolt. I really can't see Charles Newton trying to take credit for something, especially within 5 years when it'd be easy to disprove it if it was false. This is a screenshot of page 595 of Marlin Firearms: A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them By William S. Brophy USAR ![[Linked Image from savagefest.net]](https://www.savagefest.net/Charles_Newton_Leverbolt_300Sav.PNG)
“ The Savage 99 Pocket Reference”. All models and variations of 1895’s, 1899’s and 99’s covered. Also dates, checkering, engraving.. Find at www.savagelevers.com
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Dang, I miss those days and wish I could turn back the clock.
The old rifle is a safe queen now and my wife said to hang it up some where in the living room. I love that gal. Take her out for a stroll and a hunt. My dad's (and grandfather's) 99 in .250 has taken five deer since he died in '92..Never sees bad weather, but still gets to go out and play. Make some more memories with yours. It's a wonderful thing.
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Doug Murray says 1920 in Savage 99 models. That's good enough for me.
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Doug Murray says 1920 in Savage 99 models. That's good enough for me. Doug Murray did a great job, but he gathered his information over 30 years ago by hand before the internet existed. Tremendous work for the resources he could access. It’s a great guide, but there are a lot of errors. That’s one of them.
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Ken Waters says its off the 250 3000 by C.N, He did this 1920
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I'd say Ken Waters is probably on the mark.
Next question:
How long does it take to get a new cartridge developed and chambered - if you were Charles Newton? The cartridge wasn't introduced until fall of 1921, so trying to understand if this is a 2 year development process, 1 year process, 6 month process?
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Not trying to high jack this thread, but why was the 300 Savage such a popular conversion in Arisaka Type 99 rifles after WWII? Probably because 6.5 mm Jap brass wasn't available and lots of Arisakas were on the market. Just run a 300 Savage chamber reamer and you have a 6.5-300 Savage. The rounds fit the magazine also. I had one done like that reamed for 308. Pretty good round. Remington got around to supporting it as the 260 Rem.
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Not trying to high jack this thread, but why was the 300 Savage such a popular conversion in Arisaka Type 99 rifles after WWII? Probably because 6.5 mm Jap brass wasn't available and lots of Arisakas were on the market. Just run a 300 Savage chamber reamer and you have a 6.5-300 Savage. The rounds fit the magazine also. I had one done like that reamed for 308. Pretty good round. Remington got around to supporting it as the 260 Rem. Except the Type 99 was chambered in 7.7x58.
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