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I just bought a closeout FTW in 30-06. It's about 1.5 MOA from the box with most factory loads...because the bedding is not great. The barreled action is not really tight in the factory bedding--it is very loose and floppy before I tighten the action screws down. The Ruger angled front screw will compensate for some of that, but not all.
Some rifles shoot great from the box, many don't, and in most cases the culprit is the bedding.
I have never owned a Ruger I couldn't get sub-MOA with factory loads. Ruger barrels are good; your rifle, like mine, probably just needs bedding.
I will probably get to this project in the next few weeks and report back.
Your barrel is broken in. It's the bedding.
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Ruger and accurate don't go hand in hand...There are a few exceptions but not many... Total ignorance
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SGT stupid.....your full of it
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Dave
Did you read any of the previous post.
Lot of experience here if you listen instead of ranting those Rugers will shoot
Good luck
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I have this same rifle in the same chambering and it is one of my most accurate factory rifles, especially with factory Hornady ammo. I bought it a few years back and took it to FTW to try it out-- it quickly became a favorite. I would try another scope of known performance.
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Using a proven scope has been mentioned. Along with that I recommend trying some ammo with better precision potential than the 140 grain Core Lokt stuff. This one shoots so well in my Rem 700 5R Milspec that if my handloads eventually match it I'll be happy. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1019875577?pid=214506
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Seems the op wants to cry and whine instead of doing some very easy practical options.
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There is some practical info already in the comments above:
Stop cleaning so much. Float your magbox (my last M77 needed a little dremel attention to get there) Finger tighten that middle action screw, bear down more on that front screw Handload some straight ammo, utilizing that long Ruger mag box with your OAL determinations
My last M77 also had a high amount of pressure from the forend contact, so I floated it and bedded it when it started giving me vertical stringing. I'd only do this if the other steps don't work.
Now with even more aplomb
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I agree with sorting out the mag box and checking the torque on the action screws before you bed it. But the fit of the action to my FTW stock is pretty poor, so maybe yours is, too.
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I'm familiar with the angled mounting system. Ruger recommends 95 in lbs on the front screw and 45-60 on the rear screws. I've done that with a torgue wrench - similar accuracy results. I am going to try some pet handloads but I am geginning to think I should have bought another Tikka.
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And keep on using the same scope?
Steve Wariner sang a song by this title......
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I've already tried another proven L 3x9 - same result
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Did you check your chamber? My LH FTW in 6.5 had issues, and know of 3 others that did also.
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Fired casings (all brands) are leaving odd scratches on casing exterior following extraction. Rifle's headed back to Ruger. I am really trying to give this rifle benefit of the doubt.
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Sounds like a chamber issue, not concentric, try and rotate a fired case and see if it chambers the same as you rotate. My FTW was inspected and came back with a new barrel and bolt no issues now. And accurate, took me about 100 rounds to figure it out. This would have helped me. https://www.sinclairintl.com/guntech/bullet-concentricity-related-issues/detail.htm?lid=16572
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Rugers accuracy gurantee has gotten better. My brother had a number. 30-06 in the 70 s and they told him 3 inches at 50 yards. That gun went down the road. Ed k
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I have a Ruger 77 in 308 bought in the 1990's. I can shoot a dime at 100 yards with Remington Ammo. My reloads shoot an inch higher and the same dime size. Never had a problem with it. It is stainless with a plastic stock. Has kept zero for about 25 years.
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Those scratches on your case are likely from the feed rails, which are pretty sharp on most Rugers. They generally need a little dressing.
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My only experience with a FTW was with a 375R. It shot right at an inch. Close enough... but I sold it because it wasn't as accurate as my Guide Gun. However, I didn't work very hard on it either. Ruger doesn't do anything special to these FTWs as far as accuracy. All cosmetics really. It's a Guide Gun with a dipped stock and a longer barrel with no iron sights. I'm left-handed also, so I like the Rugers, but I'm not a fan of the Guide Gun stock as far as the pistol grip is concerned. I took a dremel and files to the underside of my pistol grip of my Guide Gun to open it a bit and then to the area below the point of the comb where my thump goes. It was a good improvement. This is easy to do with a Guide Gun, but will remove the dip on the FTW. If they really wanted to make it special, they would have floated the barrel and mag box, and bedded the action. Of course, I really don't think they agree with 2 of those 3 mods.
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Just received confirmation of receipt from Ruger service department. I am anxious to see if that can do anything to the FTW to improve accuracy.
I guess I am badmouthing them, but I was shocked when they responded:
"Thank you for contacting Ruger Customer Service. Your Customer Service Issue # is 10175270
The expected accuracy of 6.5 creedmore Hawkeye is 1 1/5 " @50 yards. If you are unable to get this accuracy we recommend sending in the rifle.
Ruger Customer Service"
I can achieve 3-MOA accuracy with my Savage 20-gauge slug gun. Here's me crossing my fingers..................
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