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Good one, greg. That will give him a chance to learn what works, all by his very own self, without help. And just how worthless a duplex is for measuring misses/wind/elevation, and such. Nothing quite like expensive self-earned experience, for learning.
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after you use one, a mil reticle/turrets is ALL you'll want..... Why? We're talking about scopes capable of dialing precisely. So why is that kind of reticle necessary at all. Why have a holdover reticle at all with all that business... if you can dial a scope and use a simple duplex reticle? A reticle that matches the turrets is a critical component to effectively using a scope for LR shooting. It's an optical ruler, and is useful for measuring target size and necessary shot correction after a miss, and also for holding windage correction, lead for a moving target, etc. As someone who is new to LR shooting, you seriously need to read this: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14152144/1
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Geez ur a salty bunch.. thanks for answering my question. I don't mind the sarcasm
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after you use one, a mil reticle/turrets is ALL you'll want..... Why? We're talking about scopes capable of dialing precisely. So why is that kind of reticle necessary at all. Why have a holdover reticle at all with all that business... if you can dial a scope and use a simple duplex reticle? A reticle that matches the turrets is a critical component to effectively using a scope for LR shooting. It's an optical ruler, and is useful for measuring target size and necessary shot correction after a miss, and also for holding windage correction, lead for a moving target, etc. As someone who is new to LR shooting, you seriously need to read this: https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/14152144/1Thanks
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put it on my 6.5 and sight it in to 200yds.. and cleanly miss deer (big time) at 400 by aiming 2" high... fixed it for you, buddy
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Geez ur a salty bunch.. thanks for answering my question. I don't mind the sarcasm You'll have to forgive us if we seem impatient, but we've been through this dozens of times before, where a guy with no experience in the topic at hand comes here asking for advice from those who have a lot of experience and knowledge that was gained the hard way over many years of training and testing, only to ignore the advice received and continue with a course of action that was essentially pre-determined from the beginning.
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put it on my 6.5 and sight it in to 200yds.. and cleanly miss deer (big time) at 400 by aiming 2" high... fixed it for you, buddy 😂 Thanks
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Geez ur a salty bunch.. thanks for answering my question. I don't mind the sarcasm You'll have to forgive us if we seem impatient, but we've been through this dozens of times before, where a guy with no experience in the topic at hand comes here asking for advice from those who have a lot of experience and knowledge that was gained the hard way over many years of training and testing, only to ignore the advice received and continue with a course of action that was essentially pre-determined from the beginning. On the contrary, I'm not ignoring anyone at all. I've looked at every scope you guys have suggested, and I have read and watched every stinking review on them as well. My thing with the milquad... I have one friend to shoot with, who has a range.. and he is all moa... so Im thinking the only person I have to learn from in person, in the field.. that knows nothing about mils.. isn't going to be able to help me much. But I did read that post and it makes sense. I'm still curious if you guys use that reticle to hold over or just to sight in, and then dial for your distance shots?
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yes...... you use the reticle OR dialing, depending... Or a combo of BOTH. Where are you? I have steel out to a mile in eastern CO, and your welcome to come learn on it anytime (and mils, too). But I reckon you are from back east somewhere by the 336 and 45-70 comments......
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yes...... you use the reticle OR dialing, depending... Or a combo of BOTH. Where are you? I have steel out to a mile in eastern CO, and your welcome to come learn on it anytime (and mils, too). But I reckon you are from back east somewhere by the 336 and 45-70 comments...... Michigan
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fortymile and musicianized best be jumping quick..... Nah I don't want a mil reticle. I've raised my budget to $1,200 More options. More decisions.. More frustration.. Im strongly considering a Vx5 🥴 I read your other post and you asked for advice......these guys are here giving you the best advice cause they want you to spend your money wisely.., these guys know what works. lol Did you notice what is on Jordans rifles? I read many of his posts and he's a straight shooter for sure..
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We'll I guess Im going to miss out unless you have layaway? 😂 Are the other Bushnell elites not as good?
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Did you notice what is on Jordans rifles? No. I only looked at the one with the pretty webbing paint, the other 2 were too ugly to look at.......grin wanna see what's on some of mine?
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Did you notice what is on Jordans rifles? No. I only looked at the one with the pretty webbing paint, the other 2 were too ugly to look at.......grin wanna see what's on some of mine? Apparently you're a fan.. nice guns
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Doug, how many FDE non-illuminated left? A bunch?
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Did you notice what is on Jordans rifles? No. I only looked at the one with the pretty webbing paint, the other 2 were too ugly to look at.......grin wanna see what's on some of mine? Those are sweet.....
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Nightforce SHV 4-14x50 F1 Riflescope Mil-R FFP C557
What about this one?
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We'll I guess Im going to miss out unless you have layaway? 😂
Are the other Bushnell elites not as good? You want the 'Elite Tactical' scopes. You may still find some older Elite scopes, but they were not in the same model line. I've owned a few of those older Elite scopes, but they were not meant for heavy dialing. The old fixed 10x was halfway decent but there are better options now.
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