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Damn, I was hoping you would all tell me that I needed a 300 Win Short Mag.
For some reason I like shooting the 338 Federal but I have only shot it at a 100 yard rifle range. I just bought it last month. I'll mess with it at 200 and 300 soon. I have not done much reloading but I would have to if I want to use the partition in the 338. The partition factory loads are no longer available in 338 Federal. The Nosler load data shows significantly lower velocities than the factory ammo. That is supposedly the result of proprietary powders but it may be just as much inflated claims by the factory ammo manufacturers.
I really like the 30-06 cartridge for some reason. It is a thing of beauty to me. Some folks find it boring but it appeals to me much more than the 308 Win for some reason despite the longer action. I have the 308 because it was given to me as a gift. Don't get me wrong, I like it but I would trade it for a 30-06 if I had the opportunity. It is a stainless Remington 700 with a Bell and Carlson stock and a Timney trigger. It, along with a couple others, has replaced my 30-06. I don't want to duplicate what I already have but I might eventually pick up a stainless 30-06 (or a coated Browning BAR). However, whenever I get close to doing that, I start think it would make more sense to buy a 300 WSM.
If only I were rich and could just buy them all/ You should sell the 308 that you don't love, as well as the 338 that you aren't sure about its purpose, and buy an all-conditions 30-06 that matches your wood/blue model. Then you have true redundancy ("one is none, two is one") and will become trusting of your overall setups. Shoot the identical good load in both. Stop messing with so many different chamberings/platforms that you don't truly like anyway. The 30-06 is ideal for the hunter. Well said DD..
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Yep, Pete, you did miss the point. Have seen numerous elk (and similar-sized African plains game, which are supposed to be even tougher) that refused to be "knocked down" by magnum cartridges from .300 caliber on up. In fact, I have friend who once shot a big bull five times with a .340 Weatherby Magnum and premium 250-grain bullets before the elk finally lay down and died.
Am always astounded by big game hunters who believe in "knock-down" power with anything under .40 caliber with 400+ grain bullets--and even then I have seen bigger animals not react much to the shot. you are probably right ? i have not killed many bulls with a rifle i have shot more bulls with a bow over the years.but as you know a 338 Lapua cartridge is still a dang good elk cartridge as is 338-06. i do know and understand the difference between a cow ,small bull compared to a bigger bull,those older bull elk are dang tough to kill sometimes.with this new powder book i purchased from your wife and you called Western powders " and may i say at a good price too " it`s printed that with a 338 Lapua 28 inch barrel i can get around 3,600 fps. with a 210 Nosler Partition that should work just fine on any bull for me.
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Yep, Pete, you did miss the point. Have seen numerous elk (and similar-sized African plains game, which are supposed to be even tougher) that refused to be "knocked down" by magnum cartridges from .300 caliber on up. In fact, I have friend who once shot a big bull five times with a .340 Weatherby Magnum and premium 250-grain bullets before the elk finally lay down and died.
Am always astounded by big game hunters who believe in "knock-down" power with anything under .40 caliber with 400+ grain bullets--and even then I have seen bigger animals not react much to the shot. you are probably right ? i have not killed many bulls with a rifle i have shot more bulls with a bow over the years.but as you know a 338 Lapua cartridge is still a dang good elk cartridge as is 338-06. i do know and understand the difference between a cow ,small bull compared to a bigger bull,those older bull elk are dang tough to kill sometimes.with this new powder book i purchased from your wife and you called Western powders " and may i say at a good price too " it`s printed that with a 338 Lapua 28 inch barrel i can get around 3,600 fps. with a 210 Nosler Partition that should work just fine on any bull for me. Believe I'd rather pack a 338-06 than a 338 Lapua. And, I don't expect to shoot a critter in the next county. I'm gonna get in 338-06 range and let fly. I'll leave LR game shooting to others. Not my cup of tea. DF
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i want horse power to knock a bull down Good luck with that. Are horses that stealthy they can get so close?
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i want horse power to knock a bull down Good luck with that. Are horses that stealthy they can get so close? All it takes is one good kick...........
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The lightest one of those if you are definitely not over 300 yards.
However that 210 Partition is pretty wicked. I have heard some pretty impressive things coming from a 338-06. I want one just for that bullet.
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338-06 with 210 NP @ 2400 fps.
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Anyone’s guess but certainly no more than 300 yards. 300 max, your Creedmoor will work as well as all three of the .308 options you list.
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A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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Of the choices you list. I would go with 308 with the 165 partition at 2700. Comfortable shot out to 350 or so. The 338 fed 210 partition would be better at 2600fps. I load my 338-06 with a 210 partition at 2600 (338 fed speed) and it is very accurate and thumps very well inside 300 yards.
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