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You guys are talking me into trying H380, as if I do not have enough powder on my shelf already....  I feel yo pain...  DF LET ER RIP! Gents, life is short! 
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DF, Varget 57.5gr in a Rem 338-06 that I no longer own, because someone else wanted it more. I have not run any 210gr T/TSX loads through my latest 338-06 as I have been messing around with 185gr mono's and softer 200gr bullets in the Hornady SST and Nosler Ballistic Silvertip. I have two more rifles coming so chambered. First is a Model 70 Classic Supergrade that a previous owner had neglected. The bore, was in bad shape and I could not get it to shoot in the original 270 chambering. Getting a 1:9 twist with Dakota Arms open sights. Load development will start, and hopefully end with the Barnes 210gr T/TSX. Hopefully around 2800fps. If it will not shoot those, I will go up in weight. After I find a load and get the open sights filed in, that will be the load. Plenty of good heavies to pick from and I hope I do not have to go all the way to 300gr. Second is another Model 70 Classic getting the same 1:9 twist barrel but heavier contour threaded for a suppressor. Going to try and find a subsonic load using softer heavies like an ELDM and a hunting load in the 185-210gr range. It would be really nice if it would shoot the same load as my current 338-06. I appreciate you desire for simplicity, one load for most everything. When you finally end up with three 338-06’s, I doubt they gonna all like the same load. My experience it’s like having three different chamberings, each with it’s own quirks. So, I try to avoid that. If I’m gonna load for each chamber they may as well be different rounds. I do have some duplication, just not much and by design. DF
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I have always liked a little duplication saves a little room in the storage area. But I am slowly building up die sets. I think I am back up to 15 cartridges again. Would really like to get it down to about six. But I do not see that happening. For my 270's I have: A Model 70 classic lightweight hunting rifle. 130gr TSX A Model 70 classic longer range hunting rifle. 145gr ELD X A pre 64 Model 70.130gr TTSX Rem 700 that was my first serious do all rifle that I shot thousands of rounds through and eventually had to rebarrel and now likes 130gr NBT. Then there are the ones I have not even shot yet. With all those 270's I still find myself with a couple 7mm-08's and a couple Creedmoors. At one point I owned a 700 and 7600 in 338-06. Both would shoot the same load in Nosler 210gr NPT and 200gr Hornady IL bullet. My 700 would stack them in one group and the 7600 needed a couple clicks of adjustment between the two loads.
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Admitting to having that many .270's....  Some here would equate that with a "coming out" declaration...  But, of course, I'm not one to insinuate such.. DF
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Don't forget Creedmoors too...….. I always follow the 270 bashing with a good dose of humor  always thought it was a sign of insecurity and inadequacy.
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Don't forget Creedmoors too...….. I always follow the 270 bashing with a good dose of humor always thought it was a sign of insecurity and inadequacy. Yeah the Creed crowd does catch some barbs from time to time. Made fun of, not too unlike Aggies and Cajuns.... All good. DF
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That's the weight bullets I want to try. How have the 180s been for you. I tried 180g NBT in my .338 Winchester, but they were not accurate in it. The only bullet it didn't like so far. I really liked 210 partitions with H4350 and RL17 around 2700 seemed to be the sweet spot. Ever try H-380 with that bullet? DF No, but it might be worth a try. I think it's going to be a bit fast for 210gr+ . Once you try it, I bet you'll rethink that statement... I run 65 grains of it with 200 and 62.5 grs with 225 grain Hornady SPs....it the fastest velocity and most accurate with those two bullets... IMR 4895, and IMR 4064 are also two of my favorites... 3031 gives a little less velocity, but gives up nothing for accuracy.
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I don’t see that much H-380 data for the 338-06, not enough. What I do see is below your numbers. I’m gonna work up some loads and see how it goes. You probably onto something.
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It's like H-4831 and the '06 DF, can't get enough in to over pressure.
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I found IMR 4064 to be excellent for velocity and accuracy in my 338-06 and my 35 Whelen.
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I found IMR 4064 to be excellent for velocity and accuracy in my 338-06 and my 35 Whelen. That's pretty close on the Burn Rate Chart to the old 338-06 classic, 4320, and another popular one, RL-15, So, no reason why it shouldn't work. I got a can of Vv n-150, which is Nosler's accuracy powder for their 180 NAB. Got some of those, too, blems at SPS. Back when I had a 338-284, the 180 NAB over 53 gr. RL-15 was a good load. I plan to try n-150, H-380 and RL-15 with those bullets. I'll also try H-380 with the 160 TTSX and 210 NPT, save the Varget for my 7-08 and 22-204.. DF
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I'm just finishing restocking my Improved. Before I changed stocks, it shot 200 NABs pretty well with both CFE-223 and Big Game. I'd like to increase its versatility, adding 210 NPTs, 215 SGKs and 210 Sciroccos to its repertoire. And, when in doubt, there's always Re-15.......
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I'm just finishing restocking my Improved. Before I changed stocks, it shot 200 NABs pretty well with both CFE-223 and Big Game. I'd like to increase its versatility, adding 210 NPTs, 215 SGKs and 210 Sciroccos to its repertoire. And, when in doubt, there's always Re-15....... I've read the 215 SGK is a hard bullet, a bit hard for WT's and such, maybe OK for big, tough critters. I have some but doubt I'll be using them on our local deer. What have you heard or seen with that bullet? The 140 SGK HPBT is the most accurate bullet in my 7-08 and currently my bullet of choice for deer and hogs. DF
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It's like H-4831 and the '06 DF, can't get enough in to over pressure. Gotcha gunner. I understand. You and Seafire both strong on that powder, no way I'm not gonna give it a serious whirl... Thanks, DF
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DF, I had read somewhere that the 215 SGK is a softer bullet. I have never been much of a Sierra user, so never tried them. Would really like to hear from someone that has used these in the field on deer-elk size game. Being a looney, I was just studying bullet availability in 225gr and up last night. Just in case my new Safari 338-06 does not like the 210gr Barnes T/TSX. Thinking very hard on the Hornady 225 or 250gr IL, or maybe 225gr GMX. Then there is always the NPT or bonded? Decisions, decisions, decisions. But every time I start leaning towards a lead based bullet in heavier weight I loop back to the 200-210gr mono's, since they will penetrate just as deeply. So I really hope the 200-210gr mono's shoot.
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DF, I had read somewhere that the 215 SGK is a softer bullet. I have never been much of a Sierra user, so never tried them. Would really like to hear from someone that has used these in the field on deer-elk size game. Being a looney, I was just studying bullet availability in 225gr and up last night. Just in case my new Safari 338-06 does not like the 210gr Barnes T/TSX. Thinking very hard on the Hornady 225 or 250gr IL, or maybe 225gr GMX. Then there is always the NPT or bonded? Decisions, decisions, decisions. But every time I start leaning towards a lead based bullet in heavier weight I loop back to the 200-210gr mono's, since they will penetrate just as deeply. So I really hope the 200-210gr mono's shoot. My one concern I had when I loaded 210TTSX in the 338RCM was expansion at range. Barnes says the lower velocity level for expansion was 1800fps, but a some users have said that expansion below 2200 fps wasn't very pronounced. Starting at 2750, which was about the max in my 22" 338RCM was 2200 FPS was around 350yds. I didn't really expect to shoot beyond that, but for some that could be a limitation. Of course if your ok with expansion below my somewhat arbitrary 2200fps then its not an issue.
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In the 338-06 heavy bullets are pretty slow compared to the 338 WM. I’m thinking the 225 is about the heaviest I‘d want to use, saving 250’s for the 338 WM.
And bullet length is a consideration with case capacity. The heavier monos are pretty long. In fact if you look at the 160 TTSX, it’s almost as long as the 210 NPT. If the 180 NAB shoots as good as I think it will, it could be a player. Right now, 160 TTSX and 210 NPT are top contenders.
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It's like H-4831 and the '06 DF, can't get enough in to over pressure. Gotcha gunner. I understand. You and Seafire both strong on that powder, no way I'm not gonna give it a serious whirl... Thanks, DF Yo quiet Welcome Neighbor.
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I've read the 215 SGK is a hard bullet I had read somewhere that the 215 SGK is a softer bullet. LOL. I've been led to believe the former (harder). Have carried in the field (over Re-15) but never got a shot on an animal. Would have no hesitancy sending it downrange on an elk-sized animal.
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DF, I had read somewhere that the 215 SGK is a softer bullet. I have never been much of a Sierra user, so never tried them. Would really like to hear from someone that has used these in the field on deer-elk size game. Being a looney, I was just studying bullet availability in 225gr and up last night. Just in case my new Safari 338-06 does not like the 210gr Barnes T/TSX. Thinking very hard on the Hornady 225 or 250gr IL, or maybe 225gr GMX. Then there is always the NPT or bonded? Decisions, decisions, decisions. But every time I start leaning towards a lead based bullet in heavier weight I loop back to the 200-210gr mono's, since they will penetrate just as deeply. So I really hope the 200-210gr mono's shoot. My one concern I had when I loaded 210TTSX in the 338RCM was expansion at range. Barnes says the lower velocity level for expansion was 1800fps, but a some users have said that expansion below 2200 fps wasn't very pronounced. Starting at 2750, which was about the max in my 22" 338RCM was 2200 FPS was around 350yds. I didn't really expect to shoot beyond that, but for some that could be a limitation. Of course if your ok with expansion below my somewhat arbitrary 2200fps then its not an issue. Yes, that is why I am thinking a C&C or bonded if I need to go heavier. My only experience with a longer shot using a 210gr TSX was 275 yards on a bull elk. The impact velocity should have been right around 2200 fps. Complete pass through and no evidence of less than expected expansion. Example of one, so taken with a grain of salt.
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