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My brother has two of them.

The John Deere products are require to comply with the diagnostic standards.

Attached is a link to a diagnostic fault code list. The fault code list can be used with published fault code tree analysis to diagnosis most fault conditions. Most of the time a good mechanic will see the mechanical condition causing the fault. The diagnostic just speeds up the process.
http://manuals.deere.com/omview/OMAR259982_19/OURX935_00004D3_19_19DEC07_1.htm

Here is a link to an outside company that has developed user tools for the AG vehicles. Not a JD comany.
http://texa.diesellaptops.com/john-...nJurWfGAVtZUETTyyjiYnNqr_egaAvlTEALw_wcB

I don't know if this is Nationwide or just in CA. Our biggest problem with AG equipment is the tier4 Diesel requirements.
It has turned diesels from being the old reliable you could count on to [bleep] code throwing nightmares! Tractors, pumps, harvesting equipment and on and on. All for what? Saving some soot from going into the atmosphere? Ridiculous.

Wow! I got money in the bank on rubber tires. These 4 fit the 1980 and under category.

International 574


John Deere 4430


John Deere 4440


John Deere 4640

It is world-wide and has been on-going for over a decade

US: Tier 4 off-road

World: Tier 4 world-wide

Diagnostic code has defaults that are programmed by the manufacture. They can chose to set limp in condition as one that will shut down the operation or use a synthetic equivalent of the failed sensor or system. It is my understanding that some companies are providing a service to the satellite linked customers that will alter the limp in calibrations on the fly to keep critical equipment running. This service is a pay to play option.

We have a 574 just like that. My grandfather bought it new. It's had one engine overhaul. Anymore, it's mostly used it to move hay wagons and to brush hog along a couple fence rows with low hanging branches. They have great fenders for riding on. I spent countless hours on one as a tot. There's a nice little spot for your feet behind the shifters.

Sounds like full size pick ups.

Ford 7.3 PowerStrokes seem to have doubled in value over the last decade or so.

Yep.

The 10 series JD's are probably the best ever.
(loader/general mid-size hp farm tractor)



(that will get the IH guys all riled up)

There have been several articles written about the lack of access to trouble shooting software....
Absolutely bonkers for a farmer.
Farmers are the predecessors to engineers. They just figure out how to do what needs to be done. Then do it
The whole diagnostics thing has got to be collateral damage from the growth of corporate farming...
Or a clone of the shift of auto dealers to driving profits with service revenue....
Not like you can drive the tractor to the auto parts store for a free scan....

I have a 1967 Oliver 1850 diesel. I was considering selling it this spring. Maybe I should hang onto it a while longer.

kwg

A friend had a 7410 JD MFWD for haying/choring-absolutely loved the tractor. Traded it for a 7420 and it was a electronic nightmare. Fought it for a while and then traded for a new 7430. It seems to be a good tractor

Old tractors have their place in parades but no way I’m using one here when the new ones are so much more. I really like the new emissions , I can start up the tractor and let it warm up in the barn without exhaust fumes choking you out. With the traction of 4 wheel drive, the safety of ROPS and the luxury of a cab there’s no way I would go back unless I had to.

I'm not sure how old is old. Those Farmall M's did not give the world's best ride.

The 574 has been on the farm since my Uncle bought it new in the 1970s. I consider it a flat-land tractor and I bought a 4WD to work the hills, but the 574 is still on the farm.

^^^ This right here. My old Massey does the yeoman's work of haying and it moves the big round bales for feeding, but it can get rather "sporty" on snow and especially ice. I have a smaller 4WD tractor which performs the bulk of the work here.

Friend of mine has two big 4WD New Hollands which can handle all the tasks --- when they're working. We can perform the minor maintenance (fluid changes, hydraulic seals, etc) but when it's something engine or software related, it results in a trip to the dealership for diagnostics. And sometimes a lengthy wait on parts; he had BOTH of them down for about a month this summer when he was trying to work the fields.

The new technology is a blessing and a curse. I'm planning to stick with my 40+ year old tractor for as long as I can.

70s Deutz 2WD 100 hp......$4200. Had to get used rear tires........but 7950 lift on the rear forks according to TractorData........nice and wide and with the Extra low gear.......serious puller.

A friend of mine who farms a bunch of acres has a 7430 Premium and he likes it. But they also have a newer JD combine and it refused to run during an emissions system issue. Sit and wait out in the field for a couple hours until the JD tech arrived to tell the worthless computer that everything is okay.

That is what I can't stand. There might not be anything to worry about mechanically but if the computer thinks there is you are chit outta luck.

We have a 6430 Premium and late this past fall the JD guy came out to work on a hydraulic issue. While he was there he said I'll go ahead and do an update on the computer. The next day and 10 hours later he got the tractor to operate.

If the computer tells the machine 'something is wrong'(even when nothing is actually wrong), the machine won't work.

I hate it.

Yes you might be able to diagnose some issues with these tools, but in most instances...only the dealer can execute a repair.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/new...they-cant-fix/ar-BBYKIQ6?ocid=spartandhp