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My father-in-law was not a hunter or a rifleman. Logger, farmer, provider would cover it I guess. Didn't know what we know, didn't care, so he used a '99 Savage of the mighty .300 persuasion in Western Washington for 30 years or more with no difficulties. Passed up the big old bulls several times, looking for that 2 year old 4 point. Doesn't apply nowadays, I suppose, but if I were to take a lesson from that, I'd take the rifle that I could shoot the most accurately and quickly offhand. Within reason, caliber be damned.


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Originally Posted by Jim_Knight
prm- Did that Barnes 160 TTSX ruin a lot of elk meat? Normally Barnes doesn't, but velocity still does. would you trust that 160TTSX at 3050-3100 to penetrate a cow elk on a hard angle at close to moderate range I wonder? I am considering using the lighter weights in a 20" bbl 338 RCM. Even in a short barrel, I still hope get faster than I did a 22" 338 Federal 160TTSX/TAC, 3007fps avg.


It does a number on meat, and everything else. At least on close shots, which I mostly end up with. I think 200 was the longest shot. The only angling shots I took were on a Kudo, and a Gemsbok. Definite pass through on the Kudu, entered ribs and went out through the far shoulder. I hit the point of the shoulder on the Gemsbok and the best I could figure was the bullet got caught in a very densely grass packed stomach. A frontal shot from low to high, just inside left leg on a bull elk resulted in a mess of one shoulder. I didn’t look closely but there was a possible exit just above his left hip bone. I don’t think you’d be disappointed in the 160. If you really want penetration you could use the 185 TTSX. The RCM would push it fast enough to work really well also. I shot a bull elk twice with those and the worked well, as well as a whitetail buck and a hog. The hog dropped straight down dead. The whitetail did a 4-5 second sprint and piled up. The bull was on a hill steeply below me. First shot was broadside left to right. He staggered, spun, caught his balance, and I put another through right to left. He stumbled maybe 15-20 yards and died quickly. Small exit wounds, but internals were a mess.

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16640, You have that right.. The old 06 is good but quite boring...!!!!


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In my experience, the Winchester Fail Safe and the Barnes TSX/TTSX are by far the best bullets for NOT wasting meat. Used the FS in 338WM on one elk and a couple of moose. 115 TSX in 25-06 on deer. 168 TTSX in 300WSM on WT, MD, moose, and 17 species of African game from springbok to eland in size.

Best example of not wasting meat was a WT buck coming up the undeveloped road allowance beside a no hunting property. I thought he might smell me and I didn't want him jumping the fence. I took a hard quartering to me high shoulder shot at 40yds. Bullet broke onside shoulder, completely penetrated. Could eat right up to the holes. Buck dropped and didn't twitch. Saw my Dad shoot a WT buck at about 200, behind the shoulder. The onside shoulder was completely jelliefied. That was a 270 150 NP. Don't like them.

I like Barnes. They work.

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A fast handling 99 in 300 Svg would be a great choice for hunting the big Roosevelts in that Olympic jungle, IMO.


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I never saw but one guy use a .270W back in East, Tx right up until I left, 1987. I moved here to Utah in '90, and began asking what folks used. Many more 270s and 30-06s , 7mm Rem Mags than anything else. The 7mm/08 was popular for the Youth Hunt, but so was the 30-30! Lots and lots of used Mod 99 300 Savages in pawn shops then too. Now I see a spattering of newer rounds, but the one that keeps coming up ( and not implying I have asked them ALL) is the 270 Win. Not surprising. Its still very easy to shoot, and kills well.

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The old retired Colorado game officer that does a lot of management on theColorado ranch uses a push feed Model 70 in 270 win he bought when he got home from Viet Nam. He’s killed a LOT of elk with it. I don’t remember how many he said he’s done in with that rifle. Old son has also killed his fair share of elk on the place with a 270 in an old model1917 Winchester configuration.


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I bought a Ruger tang safety model 77 in 7mm Rem Mag at 17 knowing it was a good elk caliber even though deer hunting was all it did for 23 years. After 30 deer & 7 elk it sits in the safe these days in favor of a bet up old 300 Weatherby Vanguard. I bought it as an extra rifle I wouldn’t mind leaving in a truck all day miles from where I was hunting. The extra oomph of a 180 grain TTSX going about 3200FPS is very nice to have and it is the 1st string elk rifle. My Zeiss conquest 3-15 Z800 matches trajectory exactly all the way out to 800 yards so no guessing or dialing required very quick on longer shots.

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Originally Posted by MCSO1357
.35 Whelen is my go to elk caliber, have a 1988 Rem 700 Classic that thumps critters inside 350 yards with 250gr Nosler Partitions. Have wanted to try Barnes TTSX, but the 200gr max weight gives me pause....anybody have experience with this bullet in 35 cal and elk?


I shot a bull with a 225 grn TSX.To my surprise I recovered the bullet. He was quartering away. It went through a rib, his lungs, the far shoulder and I found it just under the skin. One pedal broke off. It weighed 222.5 grins.

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I killed my only elk with a 300 Weatherby, and hunted with several other magnums - 300 Winchester, 358 Norma. The last time I used a plain-Jane 30-06. If there is a next time, that's what I will use.

Back in 1989 I met an old hunter who was carrying a Savage 99 chambered in 300 Savage with an old fixed 3x Weaver scope on top. I guess he figured it would be enough. He didn't ask what I was using.


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I’ve killed all of my bulls with a Remington LSS mountain rifle, 30/06 and a 180 A/bond loaded right at factory velocity.


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I’ve been fortunate to kill a lot of elk thus far, 46 or 47, lost count, both bull and cows. I’ve helped retrieve another 23 elk for friends and family. All elk were hunted in rough coastal terrain where a poor shot on an elk will turn into an epic rodeo search and recover situation that sucks ass, and can end even worse, with a lost animal.

Our average shots on bulls are typically starting at 400 yards and go farther from there to distances only the shooter can determine for himself being capable of making with atmospherics accounted for.

We’ve used the following- 30-06, 7mag, 300 Wins, 300 RUM, 300 Wby, 7-08, and even a 30-378 Wby for several years.

Personally, seeing enough elk taken to have a good idea of what will “Stone an elk at distances” out to 750 yards. I would say the best elk killing rifle is the one you can shoot really well with out fear of recoil, so your only focus is on your reticle for good shot placement.

A lot of rifles will kill an elk...Bullets matter and should be part the equation.

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Well said Beav, I dig that. That’s excellent words.


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What Beav said.

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Only 9 elk in 25 years of elk hunting. 1 with 30-06, and 180 Nosler Partition, 8 with 270 and 150 gr partition. Both pre-64 Winchester’s. The elk didn’t seem to notice the difference in those two cartridges

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i've only owned 3 elk killin rifles. a tang ruger in 270win from 1973 to 1996. didn't reload so shot factory corelokts, which worked well on sheep, moose, a couple black bears, and a few elk. i travel to either colorado, montana, or new mexico every year for elk and in 1996 i switched to a ruger mk2 in 30-06, again using factory ammo except i switched to fed premium stuff loaded with 180 gr partitions. last year and two or three prior years i used a win m70 ew in 308win for my annual elk hunt. wouldn't you know it, the 308 killed just as well as the 30-06. i've given most of my rifles to grandkids now, so only have a 308 and an 06. haven't decided which one i'll use this year. for you guys that are elk huntin this fall, i hope you have a great time.

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I'm a hunter first but still a looney on the side. I've got about 12 scoped rifles in all sorts of cartridges but come opening morning that same ol' ratty post 64 push feed model 70 .270 comes with me. After I score that first deer then I might venture out to my other babies but until I get that first one its that same ol' rifle gets the nod first.


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Just goes to show that a basic combination gets it done. Bless him as I'm in my 50's and will never be able to put numbers up like that!

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Hoping my Beanland 7mm08 will be done before elk season? If not it will be used next season for sure. A 140 AB with max charge of Big Game should work fine!

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Originally Posted by Esox357
Hoping my Beanland 7mm08 will be done before elk season? If not it will be used next season for sure. A 140 AB with max charge of Big Game should work fine!


Indeed it will...


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