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Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14459417 01/12/20
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe


You **actually** believe ABC?



Here in Australia the ABC is right up there in trust, the polls have repeatedly shown it is by far the most trusted media source in the country.
We're also inclined to trust the blokes fighting the fires, the RFS, CFA.
What we don't trust is someone across the other side of the world with zero first hand knowledge telling us what's happening in our backyard

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Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14460025 01/12/20
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I don't recall the ABC ever being untrustworthy

Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14460136 01/12/20
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A whhaaannnbulance has been summoned for Greta Thunberg's smokespoles and zero six...until it arrives, keep howling at the sky.


Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14461189 01/12/20
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Drugs will do bad things to you

Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14461196 01/12/20
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Best of luck to everyone down there. Sad, sad event.

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Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14461303 01/12/20
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This whole issue of fires allegedly being deliberately lit seems to have been seized on in support of a quite separate argument.

The reality is that how the fires were started is not relevant to the argument at all. There are a range of ways fires have started.

The important point is that however they are started, fires won't get going, and then get out of control, without fuel .When you have a buildup of twigs and dead leaves and other litter, and it is really dry, and the temperatures are at record levels, that is a recipe for a big fire, easily started by any number of different sources of ignition, whether lightning, a dropped cigarette, powerlines shorting, a hot catalylic converter on a car, even Army live firing, or arsonists.

Eucalypts tend to drop a lot of twigs, strips of bark and leaves, and even bigger branches, and this stuff is great for getting a fire going. You can't start out with trees burning, you need the kindling to get a fire going. However, if there's dry litter to get it going well enough, and it gets up into the crowns of the trees, it'll build up its own momentum and then can progress rapidly, even into areas where the leaf litter etc on the floor had already been burned. Once it has got to that stage there's little chance you'll stop it - these big fires send showers of embers ahead, and can even create their own lightning.

The big argument here is about doing regular control burns in cool season, where you can manage a low intensity fire to clear out all the fallen leaves and twigs and such. It seems to be more or less an agreed fact that not nearly enough of it is done. There is argument about why, and this includes barriers put up by "green" types including some in the agencies responsible, as well as from the risk-averse and penny-pinching, which makes it just too hard to get it done. As well as control burns there has also been green influence in relation to maintaining fire trails and firebreaks, especially in national parks.

FWIW our native forest evolved for fire. Some species actually need fire, for their seeds to germinate. It also returns minerals to the soil, and many species recover very quickly after fire. The evidence is that for tens of thousands of years the indigenous people burned the land regularly, usually doing it in cool seasons and it a patchwork, so it created areas of fresh growth to attract the game animals, as well as keeping the land more open. The burning was noted by white explorers, and the first white settlers also described the land along the east coast as open parkland, where you could see for hundreds of yards. Much of that is now covered in eucalypt forest, because the "firestick farming" of the old people wasn't kept up.


But there again, what would I know? I only live here, spend time in the bush, and talk to people here about this sort of stuff. I've only been involved in a few control burns, and a bit of firefighting. Clearly I'd have to defer to the experts 9000 miles away who know so much better than us here about what is going on.

Re: Fire! [Re: dan_oz] #14461679 01/13/20
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Come on out to the Pacific Northwest, lady dan and see what REAL forests look like and see what a real fire season looks like. We'll give you a yellow shirt to wear and let you help fight the fires in mountainous terrain and watch you cry to get home to your scrub lands.

Geezer fn punks yappin'.


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Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14461823 01/13/20
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What a moron.

Good luck Dan/all.



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Re: Fire! [Re: smokepole] #14462659 01/13/20
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Fix your ponytail/manbun and get some new sandals, snowflake.


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Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14462796 01/13/20
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Pull your head out of your ass, Joe, you're embarrassing yourself:

Originally Posted by SheriffJoe

Come on out to the Pacific Northwest, lady dan and see what REAL forests look like and see what a real fire season looks like. We'll give you a yellow shirt to wear and let you help fight the fires in mountainous terrain and watch you cry to get home to your scrub lands.


One of our staunchest allies is suffering through their worst fire season in recorded history, during one of their worst droughts in recorded history, and you find it appropriate to post juvenile taunts?

Pathetic. What the f*ck is wrong with you?



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Re: Fire! [Re: smokepole] #14463815 01/13/20
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Loosen up your ponytail, old man.


Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14463828 01/13/20
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Loosen this, d*ckweed.



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Re: Fire! [Re: smokepole] #14465387 01/13/20
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Originally Posted by smokepole
Loosen this, d*ckweed.



Weak little crybaby smokespoles.


Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Re: Fire! [Re: dan_oz] #14465766 01/14/20
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Originally Posted by dan_oz


The big argument here is about doing regular control burns in cool season, where you can manage a low intensity fire to clear out all the fallen leaves and twigs and such. It seems to be more or less an agreed fact that not nearly enough of it is done. There is argument about why, and this includes barriers put up by "green" types including some in the agencies responsible, as well as from the risk-averse and penny-pinching, which makes it just too hard to get it done. As well as control burns there has also been green influence in relation to maintaining fire trails and firebreaks, especially in national parks.
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Clearly I'd have to defer to the experts 9000 miles away who know so much better than us here about what is going on.


Lots of people 9000 miles away know this and have been saying it. Funny how people 9000 miles away can actually know whats going on, know how to mitigate and even perhaps prevent it, yet those only 9 miles away chose not to for whatever various reasons.

I dont think distance is your issue.

Good luck with the (preventable) fires you guys are having. We'll be having more of our own here in the US for the same reasons. Failure to plan.


Originally Posted by Archerhunter

Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14466963 01/14/20
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe
Originally Posted by smokepole
Loosen this, d*ckweed.



Weak little crybaby smokespoles.


Oooh. That really hurts coming from you, Napoleon.



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Re: Fire! [Re: smokepole] #14467559 01/14/20
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Well, you have the option of going back to sleep...where you know what you are talking about.


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Re: Fire! [Re: SheriffJoe] #14470092 01/15/20
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Originally Posted by SheriffJoe



Come on out to the Pacific Northwest, lady dan and see what REAL forests look like and see what a real fire season looks like. We'll give you a yellow shirt to wear and let you help fight the fires in mountainous terrain and watch you cry to get home to your scrub lands.

Geezer fn punks yappin'.

that fits just fine in the prick category. Best to you. What an azzhole.


We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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And a lame prick at that. Likes to bag on people for their age, how sad. Apparently he hasn't figured out that age is one of the few rhings in life that's unavoidable.



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Re: Fire! [Re: smokepole] #14470318 01/15/20
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Get mental health counseling...you trigger easily...a red flag is starting to appear on your forehead.


Do avoid traffic stops by LE agencies.


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Re: Fire! [Re: las] #14470377 01/15/20
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To the Aussies, best of luck, hope you get some unseasonable rains and get the fires under control soon.

I'm out here, we've polluted your forum enough already with this BS.



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