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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: JOG] #14484464 01/19/20
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My vote goes to K-frames and avoiding 125-grain bullets. 2nd place goes to the L-frame Mountain Gun, but that's too specific.

Yeah, the 125 grainers are likely the main culprit for shorter service life in K-Frames. They tend to really wear away the forcing cone. When they first agreed to make the K-Frame in .357 Magnum, what most cops were using were 158 gainers at lower velocities. Likely these are easier on forcing cones .


The 158 grain bullets were in the 1450 FPS range when e M19 first appeared



It's not the velocity alone - the main culprit is the shorter length. The longer, heavier 158 grain bullets align the cylinder and forcing cone like a range rod protecting the forcing cone from radial stress. The shorter 125 grain bullets can pitch/yaw just enough to accelerate wear on the forcing cone, and the K-frames forcing cone with the flat spot on the bottom is the revolver's weakest link.

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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: EthanEdwards] #14484868 01/19/20
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I just watched an S&W 66-2 3" very nice gun with box go for $1525. Dang, the average guy don't have a chance any more.


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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: EthanEdwards] #14484872 01/19/20
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What is the difference between the SW 65 and 66?

One other question.....for you that have shot your revolvers a considerable number of rounds, do you have much flame cutting of the bottom of the top strap directly above the cylinder-forcing cone gap? Does it concern you any? I have read that flame cutting stops at a certain point.

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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I just watched an S&W 66-2 3" very nice gun with box go for $1525. Dang, the average guy don't have a chance any more.

The 3" goes for collector prices because they made so few of them. Try for a 2.5" one.


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Originally Posted by bluestem
What is the difference between the SW 65 and 66?

The 65 has fixed sights and exposed ejector rod, while the 66 has adjustable sights and an underlug protecting the ejector rod.

The 65 is essentially the bull barrel, stainless, Model 10 in .357 Magnum. The Model 66 was designed to look like a miniaturized Model 27.


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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: Cariboujack] #14484971 01/19/20
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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I just watched an S&W 66-2 3" very nice gun with box go for $1525. Dang, the average guy don't have a chance any more.




Those 1/2" longer ejector rods are a lot more expensive. $800-900 more. smile


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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: Cariboujack] #14484996 01/19/20
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Originally Posted by Cariboujack
I just watched an S&W 66-2 3" very nice gun with box go for $1525. Dang, the average guy don't have a chance any more.



If I ever spent anywhere near that kind of money on a 66, it would have to be a 66 No Dash or 66-1, which were the pinned and recessed versions.

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Originally Posted by bluestem


If I ever spent anywhere near that kind of money on a 66, it would have to be a 66 No Dash or 66-1, which were the pinned and recessed versions.




Excellent choices. But, you won't have to spend anywhere near that much on either of them.


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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: local_dirt] #14485096 01/19/20
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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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If I ever spent anywhere near that kind of money on a 66, it would have to be a 66 No Dash or 66-1, which were the pinned and recessed versions.




Excellent choices. But, you won't have to spend anywhere near that much on either of them.



Yes, I check GB pretty regularly for a used, but excellent condition 66 No Dash or 66-1 in 4 inch. I figure I will eventually get one for 650-750 bucks. Matter of fact, I saw a 66-1 I liked recently, dilly-dallied around on it, and someone else grabbed it on a But It Now for $650. It did not have the original wood grips, but that isn't a deal-breaker.

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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: EthanEdwards] #14485102 01/19/20
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Interesting thread. I've always been a 44 guy so I haven't paid a lot of attention to 357s. I have a 3" sp101 that I really like and a little scadnium j frame that's so light it's almost unbearable with full 357 loads.

I have some S&W 44s I really like including a mtn gun, a 5" classic and a 329pd that always goes with me bow hunting. I have a 45 colt mtn gun I carry a bit too.

The first pistol I shot was a 6" python so the reintroduction has me thinking about 357 again. I've had a few 327s lately and that's a fun little round but I sometimes wonder if I should simplify a bit and get rid of 32s and get a nice 357 in the 4" python size range. Good info on the k's and L's.

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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: bluestem] #14485107 01/19/20
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If I ever spent anywhere near that kind of money on a 66, it would have to be a 66 No Dash or 66-1, which were the pinned and recessed versions.




Excellent choices. But, you won't have to spend anywhere near that much on either of them.



Yes, I check GB pretty regularly for a used, but excellent condition 66 No Dash or 66-1 in 4 inch. I figure I will eventually get one for 650-750 bucks. Matter of fact, I saw a 66-1 I liked recently, dilly-dallied around on it, and someone else grabbed it on a But It Now for $650.




$650 is actually a very righteous price, nowadays.


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Originally Posted by local_dirt
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If I ever spent anywhere near that kind of money on a 66, it would have to be a 66 No Dash or 66-1, which were the pinned and recessed versions.




Excellent choices. But, you won't have to spend anywhere near that much on either of them.



Yes, I check GB pretty regularly for a used, but excellent condition 66 No Dash or 66-1 in 4 inch. I figure I will eventually get one for 650-750 bucks. Matter of fact, I saw a 66-1 I liked recently, dilly-dallied around on it, and someone else grabbed it on a But It Now for $650.




$650 is actually a very righteous price, nowadays.



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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: EthanEdwards] #14488386 01/20/20
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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
I've said many times on here that I think the Smith and Wesson 686 is the best 357 Mag. ever made. I will not deviate from that. If you like the blued version, it's just as good. I think the 686 is better due to my preference overall for stainless steel, but you could say the 686/586 is the best.

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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: EthanEdwards] #14491820 01/21/20
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Best is pretty subjective, but I don't think you can have a discussion of "best" .357 without including the Korth and the Manurhin .357's. Both are substantially better than anything made in the US presently. Then again, they cost as much as a summer vacation, so it's no wonder they get left out of the "best" lists.

Arguing the merits of one over the other is pointless... I'll just list the one's that blow my skirt up.

1 - Absolute favorite .357 on planet Earth, and could live without all others... S&W Model 19. Give me a 4" with all the desirable features and I'm VERY content. Despite it's flaws, I just love that revolver!
2 - Python - Like a supermodel who can also shoot...Who wouldn't want to 'date' that one?

3 - Colt Trooper - Probably the most overlooked .357 in history, yet it's one of the best. I hope to own one of these someday.

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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Best is pretty subjective, but I don't think you can have a discussion of "best" .357 without including the Korth and the Manurhin .357's. Both are substantially better than anything made in the US presently. Then again, they cost as much as a summer vacation, so it's no wonder they get left out of the "best" lists.

Arguing the merits of one over the other is pointless... I'll just list the one's that blow my skirt up.

1 - Absolute favorite .357 on planet Earth, and could live without all others... S&W Model 19. Give me a 4" with all the desirable features and I'm VERY content. Despite it's flaws, I just love that revolver!
2 - Python - Like a supermodel who can also shoot...Who wouldn't want to 'date' that one?

3 - Colt Trooper - Probably the most overlooked .357 in history, yet it's one of the best. I hope to own one of these someday.


I didn't mention the Korth or Manchurian because NGAF about them.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
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Best is pretty subjective, but I don't think you can have a discussion of "best" .357 without including the Korth and the Manurhin .357's. Both are substantially better than anything made in the US presently. Then again, they cost as much as a summer vacation, so it's no wonder they get left out of the "best" lists.

Arguing the merits of one over the other is pointless... I'll just list the one's that blow my skirt up.

1 - Absolute favorite .357 on planet Earth, and could live without all others... S&W Model 19. Give me a 4" with all the desirable features and I'm VERY content. Despite it's flaws, I just love that revolver!
2 - Python - Like a supermodel who can also shoot...Who wouldn't want to 'date' that one?

3 - Colt Trooper - Probably the most overlooked .357 in history, yet it's one of the best. I hope to own one of these someday.


I didn't mention the Korth or Manchurian because NGAF about them.


Hell very few in this country have ever even seen one much less shot one


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Re: 357 Magnums Rated [Re: jwp475] #14492862 01/22/20
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Originally Posted by jwp475
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Best is pretty subjective, but I don't think you can have a discussion of "best" .357 without including the Korth and the Manurhin .357's. Both are substantially better than anything made in the US presently. Then again, they cost as much as a summer vacation, so it's no wonder they get left out of the "best" lists.

Arguing the merits of one over the other is pointless... I'll just list the one's that blow my skirt up.

1 - Absolute favorite .357 on planet Earth, and could live without all others... S&W Model 19. Give me a 4" with all the desirable features and I'm VERY content. Despite it's flaws, I just love that revolver!
2 - Python - Like a supermodel who can also shoot...Who wouldn't want to 'date' that one?

3 - Colt Trooper - Probably the most overlooked .357 in history, yet it's one of the best. I hope to own one of these someday.


I didn't mention the Korth or Manchurian because NGAF about them.


Hell very few in thus country have ever even seen one much less shot one



The Korth is very smooth and accurate. On double action shooting it feels like it has hydraulics instead of mechanical components. But...

The tolerances are very close. If to go to your range with practice loads using Unique powder on a cold day, you are lucky to get 100 shots off without cylinder drag.

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Originally Posted by jwp475
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Originally Posted by GunGeek
Best is pretty subjective, but I don't think you can have a discussion of "best" .357 without including the Korth and the Manurhin .357's. Both are substantially better than anything made in the US presently. Then again, they cost as much as a summer vacation, so it's no wonder they get left out of the "best" lists.

Arguing the merits of one over the other is pointless... I'll just list the one's that blow my skirt up.

1 - Absolute favorite .357 on planet Earth, and could live without all others... S&W Model 19. Give me a 4" with all the desirable features and I'm VERY content. Despite it's flaws, I just love that revolver!
2 - Python - Like a supermodel who can also shoot...Who wouldn't want to 'date' that one?

3 - Colt Trooper - Probably the most overlooked .357 in history, yet it's one of the best. I hope to own one of these someday.


I didn't mention the Korth or Manchurian because NGAF about them.


Hell very few in this country have ever even seen one much less shot one

Exactly.

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I've long been a fan of S&W revolvers. But for a relatively compact .357, I really like the old Ruger Security/Service Six models.

They've very strong for their frame size.

I've got an old 4" Police Service Six made in 1976 with a very smooth action. It was the handgun I kept close for a long time. At one point I put it in the case and replaced it with a series of auto loaders. But I got it back out recently.

I'm much more acclimated to revolvers and shoot them better.

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My woods carry is either a 66-1 w/4” barrel or a 65-5 w/3” barrel. I have another 66-1 that was new in box when I bought it a year or so ago that just sits in the safe until my grandson gets old enough to use it.

My daughter was gifted a 67 no dash a couple of Christmas ago and she shoots it very well.

I have 3 M28 and while they are nice to shoot, the weight usually means they stay home.


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