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I have several Aero uppers and they are good ones.

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Another vote here for White Oak. I've probably had ten of their barrels and they have all been hammers. With a decent handload they shoot into 1/2" with ease. 1/4" is totally possible.


Sure they do..


That 6 WOA still giving you issues?


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I have a SP1 that I bought in the early 80s. I want to get an extra upper for it that I can scope (I have a carry handle scope mount and don't care for it). Looking to go 18 or 20 inch. Will use for plinking, varmints and maybe some deer. More accurate is always better than less, but I won't be entering any long range matches. I have home/property defense covered with a 16" piston operated, aimpoint, quad rail, etc. Looking for just screwing around. Any suggestions?


Good question. I look forward to seeing the answers you get. I know some guys around here use green mountain barrels, some use ballistic advantage and some use a local company called bison armory. I'm half tempted to try them out, as they are local and offer a great accuracy guarantee. From what I hear, they make some pretty accurate upper assemblies... I'm not going to guarantee you get "1/2" or better (1/4" ha ha, rolling here), but they do have a 1 moa guarantee if you use good ammo... Hell, I wouldn't even guarantee my rifles to shoot "1/2" and I know they shoot better than most here. Just sayin... wink I'd also bet money that they shoot better than the above mentioned "1/2" shooter. Truth... Oh wait, FNG probably talking 3 shot groups. Ok, I understand now... whistle


Green mtn makes a great barrel.. best group I got was 10 shots for .860.. that's with 77 Sierra's. But the op not looking for that. If the op plans shooting green tip stuff. Then buy a psa and go shoot..


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Or buy a Sionics. Best chrome lined pencil barreled workhorse guns I've got.
Best meaning reasonably accurate, gassed on the soft side (so use real ammo) and put together right.

I doubt they offer a large pin but as cheap a AR parts are now, just build a lower.

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Originally Posted by 79S
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Originally Posted by acy
I have a SP1 that I bought in the early 80s. I want to get an extra upper for it that I can scope (I have a carry handle scope mount and don't care for it). Looking to go 18 or 20 inch. Will use for plinking, varmints and maybe some deer. More accurate is always better than less, but I won't be entering any long range matches. I have home/property defense covered with a 16" piston operated, aimpoint, quad rail, etc. Looking for just screwing around. Any suggestions?


Good question. I look forward to seeing the answers you get. I know some guys around here use green mountain barrels, some use ballistic advantage and some use a local company called bison armory. I'm half tempted to try them out, as they are local and offer a great accuracy guarantee. From what I hear, they make some pretty accurate upper assemblies... I'm not going to guarantee you get "1/2" or better (1/4" ha ha, rolling here), but they do have a 1 moa guarantee if you use good ammo... Hell, I wouldn't even guarantee my rifles to shoot "1/2" and I know they shoot better than most here. Just sayin... wink I'd also bet money that they shoot better than the above mentioned "1/2" shooter. Truth... Oh wait, FNG probably talking 3 shot groups. Ok, I understand now... whistle


Green mtn makes a great barrel.. best group I got was 10 shots for .860.. that's with 77 Sierra's. But the op not looking for that. If the op plans shooting green tip stuff. Then buy a psa and go shoot..


Would be shooting a pretty mixed bag, most likely. Certainly a few green tips, but not many. Currently have thousands of rounds of 55gr hornady loaded. The SP1 likes them, and so does my bolt gun. I'd likely play around with some heavier bullets to see what I could do. Like I said, I don't expect a gun that would compete in a real match (as opposed to competing against myself and a couple of friends in the back yard). That said, reasonable accuracy would be nice. Any idea what could be expected with one of the 18 inch, stainless uppers from PSA, assuming good ammo?

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Or buy a Sionics. Best chrome lined pencil barreled workhorse guns I've got.
Best meaning reasonably accurate, gassed on the soft side (so use real ammo) and put together right.

I doubt they offer a large pin but as cheap a AR parts are now, just build a lower.



Thanks, was looking at this one before


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Originally Posted by ScottBrad
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Another vote here for White Oak. I've probably had ten of their barrels and they have all been hammers. With a decent handload they shoot into 1/2" with ease. 1/4" is totally possible.



Offhand, open sights with M193?


Funny man. Prone, bipod, rear bag, 15X scope, handload worked up for that specific rifle. Typically, 77SMKs over 24g of Varget has shot into 1/2” on them all.

I don’t think I could put five shots into a jumbo paper plate at 100 offhand!



Then it interests me not, but thanks.

I have bolt guns for that, I need working machines for the other with common ammo.

You run ball in the bolt guns then?

Have you found ball thats sub MOA? Ever?




Did I say that I did?

I need a battle type rifles to do battle type sheit with battle type ammo. I haven't been in a Revolution or zombie outbreak yet, but I'm guessing time to handload more ammo will be limited. YMMV.

Well if you know much, you know ball isn't accurate ammo and that was a stupid question.

And if there is some kind of thing going on there will be guns and ammo laying around... And since he said handloads....

You want that magic SHTF reliable gun, just go buy a colt of your choice. And lean towards 62s and not 55s in ball and without penetrators if possible is going to be the best ball choices you can make. Solid gun. As accurate as anything else with crappy ball ammo. Though I'd replace the trigger in any of them just me personally... if it didn't come with a good 2 stage in it already.

So where is your battle going on?


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Originally Posted by acy
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Originally Posted by acy
I have a SP1 that I bought in the early 80s. I want to get an extra upper for it that I can scope (I have a carry handle scope mount and don't care for it). Looking to go 18 or 20 inch. Will use for plinking, varmints and maybe some deer. More accurate is always better than less, but I won't be entering any long range matches. I have home/property defense covered with a 16" piston operated, aimpoint, quad rail, etc. Looking for just screwing around. Any suggestions?


Good question. I look forward to seeing the answers you get. I know some guys around here use green mountain barrels, some use ballistic advantage and some use a local company called bison armory. I'm half tempted to try them out, as they are local and offer a great accuracy guarantee. From what I hear, they make some pretty accurate upper assemblies... I'm not going to guarantee you get "1/2" or better (1/4" ha ha, rolling here), but they do have a 1 moa guarantee if you use good ammo... Hell, I wouldn't even guarantee my rifles to shoot "1/2" and I know they shoot better than most here. Just sayin... wink I'd also bet money that they shoot better than the above mentioned "1/2" shooter. Truth... Oh wait, FNG probably talking 3 shot groups. Ok, I understand now... whistle


Green mtn makes a great barrel.. best group I got was 10 shots for .860.. that's with 77 Sierra's. But the op not looking for that. If the op plans shooting green tip stuff. Then buy a psa and go shoot..


Would be shooting a pretty mixed bag, most likely. Certainly a few green tips, but not many. Currently have thousands of rounds of 55gr hornady loaded. The SP1 likes them, and so does my bolt gun. I'd likely play around with some heavier bullets to see what I could do. Like I said, I don't expect a gun that would compete in a real match (as opposed to competing against myself and a couple of friends in the back yard). That said, reasonable accuracy would be nice. Any idea what could be expected with one of the 18 inch, stainless uppers from PSA, assuming good ammo?


My buddy had an AR with a psa barrel I gave him and it shot .55gr hornady stuff pretty good. He let me shoot it and I shot s 10 shot group that was just a little over an inch. I didn’t measure it, but group was good enough I told him I should of kept that barrel and shot 55’s out of it. At the time I was only shooting 77’s and that barrel was an honest 1.5 inch grouping rifle with 77’s. So I wouldn’t be worried about psa barrels not giving you accuracy.


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Or buy a Sionics. Best chrome lined pencil barreled workhorse guns I've got.
Best meaning reasonably accurate, gassed on the soft side (so use real ammo) and put together right.

I doubt they offer a large pin but as cheap a AR parts are now, just build a lower.



Thanks, was looking at this one before


http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/sto...9-barrel_choice-lightweight_chrome_lined


I'm generally a Colt guy for guns that aren't born as target guns. I've had several 16" pencil barrels and have yet to get a bad Colt. However, I have 2 Sionics pencil barrels that both averaged around 1.5-1.75 MOA with decent ammo and that's with 10 shot groups. I don't let them breathe between shots either.

What sold me though was how soft shooting they are compared to other mid lengths I've had and shot. Last week after a coyote hunt, I walked by my 600 yard steel target and decided to see if I could still hit it. The wind was up and I had no rear bag, guessed the wind and hit right. Used the big 1 mil diamond in my 3-9 super chicken to hold windage, dialed 5 mils up and shot a 3 shot volley that landed about 5" center to center. ( I don't dare call it a group) Maybe pure luck but I'll take it.
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You can get a lot done with a 1 1/2MOA gun!

Good shooting TWR!


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Originally Posted by rost495
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Another vote here for White Oak. I've probably had ten of their barrels and they have all been hammers. With a decent handload they shoot into 1/2" with ease. 1/4" is totally possible.



Offhand, open sights with M193?


Funny man. Prone, bipod, rear bag, 15X scope, handload worked up for that specific rifle. Typically, 77SMKs over 24g of Varget has shot into 1/2” on them all.

I don’t think I could put five shots into a jumbo paper plate at 100 offhand!



Then it interests me not, but thanks.

I have bolt guns for that, I need working machines for the other with common ammo.

You run ball in the bolt guns then?

Have you found ball thats sub MOA? Ever?




Did I say that I did?

I need a battle type rifles to do battle type sheit with battle type ammo. I haven't been in a Revolution or zombie outbreak yet, but I'm guessing time to handload more ammo will be limited. YMMV.

Well if you know much, you know ball isn't accurate ammo and that was a stupid question.

And if there is some kind of thing going on there will be guns and ammo laying around... And since he said handloads....

You want that magic SHTF reliable gun, just go buy a colt of your choice. And lean towards 62s and not 55s in ball and without penetrators if possible is going to be the best ball choices you can make. Solid gun. As accurate as anything else with crappy ball ammo. Though I'd replace the trigger in any of them just me personally... if it didn't come with a good 2 stage in it already.

So where is your battle going on?



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+1 on that. PSA is top notch and fairly priced.

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I just bought a BCM as they're a tight fit if you're assembling your own upper. If you just want cheap and accurate "enough" PSA is the way to go.


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You can't go wrong with BCM.

On a whole, the AR system is pretty trouble free. If I think about it, over the years I've accumulated rifles, and a fair amount of components. Brands would include Colt, BCM, Bushmaster, Oly Arms, PSA, AR-Stoner, DPMS, Ballistic Advantage, AR15Parts.com,.....and I likely forgot something. Among all that there are gas systems from Carbine, mid length, and rifle. Rifle and carbine recoil systems. Barrel lengths include 10.5, 11.5, 14.5, 14.7, 16, and 20".

Anyhoo, the point is, they all seem to work well no matter how they are interchanged between brand names. So you can probably have a good functioning upper to mate with your SP1, in almost any direction you go. Whatever features or options you want.

That's kind of the beauty of the AR15 system, it really is like Legos for grownups.

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Originally Posted by Lockhart
+1 on that. PSA is top notch and fairly priced.

Fyi. Spikes produces all of PSA's labeled uppers and lowers.


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Originally Posted by Lennie
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+1 on that. PSA is top notch and fairly priced.

Fyi. Spikes produces all of PSA's labeled uppers and lowers.


That wasn't true the last time you posted it, just as it's not true today:



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For what you want you can buy any of the usual suspects. Some people would just buy a whole S&W or Ruger considering the relatively low prices.


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I have used White Oak Armament uppers and they are fantastic. Rock River Arms makes great rifles. I have a NM A4 rifle and they will guarantee 3/4 minute accuracy. With hand loads they will do better.

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Originally Posted by Lennie
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+1 on that. PSA is top notch and fairly priced.

Fyi. Spikes produces all of PSA's labeled uppers and lowers.



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At one time Aero precision made lowers for PSA but this was few yrs back. Also FN made lowers for PSA these were the low shelf ones which are very desirable.. But last few years psa makes everything in house. I think a lot of these companies got smart bought their own tooling to make their own lowers and uppers. During the great AR shortage pretty sure only 2-3 outfits making lowers for everyone.,


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