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Going to look at a Winchester 21 this weekend.
In cell phone photos from the seller, the bluing on the gun looks VERY nice for a +/- 80 year old field gun. Obviously, I can spot a bad polish job/irregularities in the finish itself. And I know to look at the screw heads for color as well as any cupping to the screw holes, them selves. The stampings should be sharp.
But what ELSE should be catching my eye if the gun is a re-blue ??
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Well I think that would depend on who did the reblue job.
I would look for correct color
Wear in the normal area's
Not sure about the source but I would ask the seller too.
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The seller bought the gun in a package deal with another 21 and a 42. From the sounds of things it was in the last year or so. So, I'm sure he has no honest knowledge of the gun's history.
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Wash out on the lettering, and miss matched coloring. Although some older guns will "Plumb" and have a miss matched color and be totally original. Same for screw heads etc.
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Wash out on the lettering, and miss matched coloring. Although some older guns will "Plumb" and have a miss matched color and be totally original. Same for screw heads etc. Please describe/elaborate on "wash out on the lettering", if you would.
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The lettering would not be "Sharpe" the edges are lower in the stamping of the lettering. IE the buffing wheel cut in more than wanted. Very hard to get right, and pretty easy to see.
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Can I ask what model 21? Year? I love 21's.
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The lettering would not be "Sharpe" the edges are lower in the stamping of the lettering. IE the buffing wheel cut in more than wanted. Very hard to get right, and pretty easy to see. Gotcha. Thank you !!
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Can I ask what model 21? Year? I love 21's. Only a guess, because of the way Winchester utilized the receivers, dating is only accurate through a Cody letter. The gun is a 111xx serial number. So a rough estimate would be 1937-1938. It's a 16 ga field gun. Single trigger, choked full/mod, splinter fore end, single bead. I currently have a 50xx field gun in 12 gauge. Double trigger, dual ivory beads, splinter fore end, choked full/imp cyl. Should the 16 gauge be what it should be and end up in my possession, it MAY be for sale.
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As you say if it's had a polish you should see it. If the polish was done so well you can't then so what.
Now I've done some cold blue on worn shotguns not worth a caustic blue that came out rather well. Hard to see at a glance but there will always be some variation in the depth of blue I don't care how good you are. Possibly somebody in it for a quick resale wouldn't pick up on it.
As far as lettering goes, I've seen some poor roll stamping on firearms that you'd think deserve better.
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Darned thing followed me the entire 127 miles home...………...…..
Rib seems to be A-OK.
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Uhhhhhhhhhh…………. ??
Missing some dead Benjamins that I had when I got up this morning...………......
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Nope. Gun's complete. Maybe the lighting, or lack thereof.
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It's pretty nice, really, for an 80-some year old field gun. The wood has some pressure marks......…...not really scratches or scrapes. More like dents. Bluing is nice. there's a hairline crack (I needed my loupe from college geology to spy it) along the tang. Bores appear to be dirty, but excellent. Don't have a 16 gauge swab here...…..but it's on the way.
Not sure what I'm going to do with it. I think There's some 16 gauge ammo odds & ends here. Gonna have to shoot it a little. Would make a nice resto candidate. Would be a good one to just hunt. Would be a good one to walk around a gun show with...……….. I'm not in love with it yet, so......….
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It's pretty nice, really, for an 80-some year old field gun. The wood has some pressure marks......…...not really scratches or scrapes. More like dents. Bluing is nice. there's a hairline crack (I needed my loupe from college geology to spy it) along the tang. Bores appear to be dirty, but excellent. Don't have a 16 gauge swab here...…..but it's on the way.
Not sure what I'm going to do with it. I think There's some 16 gauge ammo odds & ends here. Gonna have to shoot it a little. Would make a nice resto candidate. Would be a good one to just hunt. Would be a good one to walk around a gun show with...……….. I'm not in love with it yet, so......…. Would make a nice resto candidate. I agree!!!! How did you do on it price wise? Hairline crack in the tang or in the wood around the tang?
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It's pretty nice, really, for an 80-some year old field gun. The wood has some pressure marks......…...not really scratches or scrapes. More like dents. Bluing is nice. there's a hairline crack (I needed my loupe from college geology to spy it) along the tang. Bores appear to be dirty, but excellent. Don't have a 16 gauge swab here...…..but it's on the way.
Not sure what I'm going to do with it. I think There's some 16 gauge ammo odds & ends here. Gonna have to shoot it a little. Would make a nice resto candidate. Would be a good one to just hunt. Would be a good one to walk around a gun show with...……….. I'm not in love with it yet, so......…. Would make a nice resto candidate. I agree!!!! How did you do on it price wise? Hairline crack in the tang or in the wood around the tang? The crack is in the wood, running nearly, perfectly parallel to the tang. Bought this gun off the same individual I bought a 12 gauge field Model 21 from about a month ago. His number was right on the 12 and I never dickered. He was quite a bit too high on the 16 at that time and I never even asked to look at it. Since I was there the first time, he came down $1K on the 16 gauge...……...hence the return trip. I offered him $250 less than his current asking price and the deal was made, so...………. He was happy where we were. I'm happy where we ended up. Once in a while, patience pays off.
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Just occurred to me to toss it on Momma's scale...……...……
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Typical location for a crack. If that gun was mine and I realize it is not, I would be restocking it anyways. If the price was right for you then in my opinion it is a perfect candidate for a resto. I do love them Model 21's.
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