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Domestic dogs gone feral, not selected for affinity to humans for millennia. They make awful pets, even more so than our own Carolina Dog, but apparently not as dangerous as wolves.

For dingo origins See....

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/blogs/austropalaeo/2014/05/dawn-of-the-dingo/


Incidentally, the Indian wolf (in India) is relatively short-haired and largely yellow in color.

^ Interesting I thought Dingos were a hell of a lot longer in Australia than that.

Maybe I was confused with the African wild dog. I just looked that one up on Wiki the oldest fossil is 200,000 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_wild_dog

No chit?

Good thing wolves are natural pointers and retrievers, then!

Well, I wasn't going to go into all that......just yet...

i think we should just be thankful that canines and man became dependent on one another, how we will never know.

Better having them hunt for me than having them hunting me.

Geno

i love dogs and as much as i hate to admit, cats also.

Our whippets love cats too......................


that's why I can't have any.


Geno

The Dingo is thought to have played a part in displacing native marsupial predators such as the Thylacine from the mainland. The Dingo arrived after Tasmania was separated from the mainland, so species like the Thylacine and Tasmanian Devil lived on in Tasmania after going extinct on the mainland.

The Dingo is also evidence for wolf descendants living and hunting cooperatively with humans before agriculture. Among other things, the pure Dingo tends to lack the genes for digesting grains and other complex carbohydrates, and is related to Asiatic wolves.

Aus indigenous were still in the stoneage till about
Late 18th century and had dingo in their camps/communities
for how long?

Yet according to TRH theres no chance primitive man
would have and support a wolf type that could not provide much of any benefit.

BIRD said they even make lousy pets.

So what were the natives thinking for millennia
by having them around?

They dont push prams or strollers like a circus act animal
but they can carrry babies and undo their buttons.

I do. He's burning up his fuse up there alone.

Good read. Thanks!

If you read Meshack Browning's memoir, there's a period there where he was hunting in the company of wolves. Browning would put a ball into a deer and then the wolves would run it down for him. He'd come along, finish off the deer and gut it. The wolves would feast on the viscera. Wash, Rinse, Repeat. The wolves figured out that a human was very handy to have around, and they quickly formed a symbiotic relationship. Given that simple scenario, I'm pretty sure that it did not take much for dogs and humans to learn how to benefit from each other.

The other thing that comes to mind here is how diverse the levels of intelligence of both species seem to be. I've seen dogs that were dumb as posts, and a very few that seemed to be close to my own. Dogs have a complicated social system to deal with this amongst themselves, just as humans do. So it makes sense that they could recognize intelligence in others and learn to leverage it. I once had a dog that taught himself how to use the cable remote so he could watch Lassie on Animal Planet at 4 AM. He would switch over to Lifetime to watch Miracle Pets at 11.

The African Wild Dog is only distantly related to canis familiaris. They cannot interbreed, whereas canis familiaris can interbreed quite easy with Dingoes.

Not to any significant degree. It probably happened from time to time. But this cannot explain the appearance of the domesticated dog, which even in very primitive form would have been tremendously useful to a hunter gatherer community. Ordinary wolves raised by hand, not so much. They'd be more of a pest and a useless eater.

The best explanation is that phase-one of domestication occurred without human intention, i.e., wolves splintered off a subspecies that specialized in living off of man's excess food scraps, bones, guts, etc.. and that the most human-aggressive among these were regularly killed off by man, causing a gradual decrease in the presence of human-aggressive genes within this subspecies, till eventually the subspecies became quite accustomed to man's presence, and even cooperative with him to a certain extent. From there, man found uses for this much more tractable wolf subspecies (e.g., pulling sleds), which eventually (through constant human selection for particular traits) became canis familiaris.

lmao....

This.

Quite a different scenario than some guy taking in a litter of wolf pups, and maintaining a steadily reproducing population of them, till they become dogs.

Maybe the wolves were trailing the child? She could have been lunch.

+1 ^^ 100%

Maybe their hide for a good shirt, nothing more... otherwise they'd just be another hunting competitor.

What does that have to do with this thread? Nobody with an IQ has believed such fairy tales for 200 years or more.