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I hate purists!
And hypocrites.

Of course, hypocritical purists, are special.

I have no problem with that rifle, if I didn't have an in-line,
it might be one I would buy.

Ironic the posters complaining about this, but the use percussion
guns. Do you use plastic devices to hold pre measured powder?
Think about it. You are closer than you think. And are taking advantage
of technology to make this all easier. What clothes do you wear mz hunting?
Wool, leather, cotton? Or products designed after the 1840's?


If you are using anything other than wood, bone, sinew, or rock in archery,
How can you criticize a crossbow? How much tech is ok?
Amazing the guys that buy a new compound ever two years to "keep up"
only to then bitch about crossbows.


Kaywoodie,

I apologize.
Having oogled some of your rifles, I pigeon holed you into
being against something like this.

I was way wrong.

And you gained a lot of respect with your post.

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Not a game changer, over the same rifle, with 2 50gr pellets 777, and a 295gr Powerbelt....

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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
How much tech is ok?
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I can't answer that. I'm just hoping they come out with a breech loading rifle soon so I don't nave to keep loading through the muzzle.



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Like the CVA Electra, this one is a turd floating in the water. It'll be gone by next year.

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To me a muzzleloader means loading from the muzzle end. The powder charge is part of the load, not just the projectile. This isn't a muzzleloader. It's a hybrid.

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If it were a .52 cal that would sell like hotcakes! .....Oh wait.......


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Gonna get one to go with my Gyrojet, my Daisy VL, and my Dardick.


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Originally Posted by MILES58
That has to be one of the dumbest ideas I have seen in one hell of a while!

Pushing $5.00/shot is going to doom it all by itself. Single sourced EVERYTHING??? Best way I know of to guarantee even higher prices and difficulty finding what you need to make it go bang. Pre-determined charges will not allow for adjustment for accuracy.

The advertising claims are absurd.



Agreed...

... they'll sell like hotcakes! lol


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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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A clever (and frugal) character with one of these would have someone like MCAce crank out a couple of brass versions that would be reusable.

This ain't a whole lot different than the everlasting cases the old target shooters used to use, some with muzzle-seated bullets too, IIRC.

One thing's certain; someone who enjoys shooting his rifle, not just hunting with it, is going to cough up some serious money to play.


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If I was in charge of a game department I would simply ban it. If you're going to have a primitive season, people hunting in that season should use primitive weapons, period. No gaming the system!

People who bought these contraptions could still use them... in the regular rifle season.

But I'm not.

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When will they announce the new belt fed muzzle loader?


I am..........disturbed.

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On a slightly more serious note, the idea is not new. Harry Pope made muzzle loading cartridge guns famous over 100 years ago. Properly managed they can be stupid accurate. Barry Darr built the one I have.


I am..........disturbed.

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Need to call it the 50 Creedfagmore. Good grief, what's next. A brass case, smokeless powder and a jacketed bullet but with a ramrod under the barrel?
I'll stick to my Leman halfstock or my flinter.
This thing, like the rest of the inlines belongs in modern rifle seasons.

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I hate cheaters. Or people who pervert the concept of "primitive" weapon seasons.

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The bullet is loaded from the muzzle...

The plastic cartridge is probably there to claim the case is not reusable...

I looked it over and shot it at Media day and it was reasonable in most respects and I know there were people I wish were using this when I helped them kill muzzleloader moose...


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Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
I hate purists!
And hypocrites.

Of course, hypocritical purists, are special.

I have no problem with that rifle, if I didn't have an in-line,
it might be one I would buy.

Ironic the posters complaining about this, but the use percussion
guns. Do you use plastic devices to hold pre measured powder?
Think about it. You are closer than you think. And are taking advantage
of technology to make this all easier. What clothes do you wear mz hunting?
Wool, leather, cotton? Or products designed after the 1840's?


If you are using anything other than wood, bone, sinew, or rock in archery,
How can you criticize a crossbow? How much tech is ok?
Amazing the guys that buy a new compound ever two years to "keep up"
only to then bitch about crossbows.


Kaywoodie,

I apologize.
Having oogled some of your rifles, I pigeon holed you into
being against something like this.

I was way wrong.

And you gained a lot of respect with your post.



The Alabama section of Pennsylvania.
Where we cling to our God and Guns.

Given the above Alabama, God and guns comment, which are you, hypocrite or purist or hypocritical purist? Obviously, as you have someone(s) you hate, professing to be clinging to God makes you a hypocrite, yes?

I don't care for the concept of the firearm nor would I ever buy one but, I don't hate anyone for using a crossbow or an in-line though I would not use either.


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Originally Posted by Snyper
A solution in search of a problem.
I wouldn't buy it.


Exactly. The inventor of the Butt Out tool got into muzzleloader design.

No control over custom tuning load, and a plastic case that goes into the recyling waste bin.

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You got that right so you load what amounts to a shotgun shell and a separate bullet and this is supposed to be a muzzleloader.I don't believe that would be legal in Pa. even for the early season that allows inlines.


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It would never fly in Oregon as you have to use even primitive sights during the muzzle loading season. Cheers NC


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My concern would be with cleaning the bore. How are you going to be able to clean around the bullet shelf? Seems like a prime place for fouling to collect and very difficult to clean that area.
Having said that, I am glad to see a company trying something new. I am not going to buy one right away. Its good to have choices.

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