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i have plenty of experience freezing while hiking. lol. actually, i remember many times being peeled down to just a t-shirt with sweat boiling and steam rising like a train's smokestack... but for those situations when you want to move slowly, and the wind is slicing thru you... that is the outer layer piece of kit i need...

no need for hearing aids yet...

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Well, then...


Search for the waterproofness data and air permeabilty of given fabrics, turn up your hearing aid and start moving.


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Originally Posted by Dogger
Gore-tex... after witnessing our dismounted light infantry get in serious hypothermia trouble with their high speed/low drag Goretex outer gear (NTC January 1995) on the top of a mountain goat mountain in serious cold weather and torrential rain - i have never been a fan of that stuff... too heavy... too thick... too bulky...

something thin and light and quiet to stop the wind when you are exposed and need to move... if it starts raining... i am stopping and erecting shelter/fire.


i have never been a fan of that stuff... too heavy... too thick... too bulky...

Really? I have a ton of Goretex that is neither heavy, thick, or bulky. Has always worked great for me, Climbing, hunting, backpacking, fishing, snowboarding, and everyday wear in the rain.


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Originally Posted by Dogger
i have plenty of experience freezing while hiking. lol. actually, i remember many times being peeled down to just a t-shirt with sweat boiling and steam rising like a train's smokestack... but for those situations when you want to move slowly, and the wind is slicing thru you... that is the outer layer piece of kit i need...

no need for hearing aids yet...


I get hot very easily. If you need to slow things down and add a layer it probably won't need to be windproof. As you will be warm already and a little wind through fleece or wool won't be bad.


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Patagonia Houdini.

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Originally Posted by SnowyMountaineer
Patagonia Houdini.


yeah but they weigh 4 oz and are the size of pack of cigs- that's a lot to carry grin

the military Patagonia Houdini's are pretty nice too- about double the weight, but a little hardier fabric- similar water resistance and breathability though

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I think you want any kind of soft-shell. Some wind shirts are really breathable, too, but others are not. I usually shop for this stuff by going into a gear shop and blowing through the fabric. I want a little air to pass but not a whole lot. I find it hard to figure that stuff out online.

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