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Originally Posted by ready_on_the_right
Toyo Open Country AT II's You may have to spin them to clean them out. Standard rear end 4wd. Pulled a 5X8 trailer in the same spot and got pretty greasy a time or two I was there!

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I’ve had Maxxis Buckshot mud tires on 4 different trucks and have found them to be a fairly quite mud tire that generally wears evenly. They are a great “all terrain” tire.


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Some of the best "Mud" tires fail in certain types of mud. Asking for an AT thats good in mud is like asking a hooker to cook a gourmet meal.

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Walk a quarter mile in mud and each boot weighed 20 lb. Use a wire brush to get it off. It was miserable stuff.


It's amazing stuff. I think a student in Montana wrote a research paper on gumbo. From what I remember, it's clay and volcanic ash (the bentonite).

I don't see it here in Western Oregon, but most of the dirt roads are well maintained and gravel, although we have lots of clay. In Central and Eastern Oregon, I see gumbo. When I was riding motos, it was a concern on our spring and summer trips as a quick shower could stop a moto in its tracks. Same for a car or truck.

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Looks like northern Nevada mud. Sticks to everything and boots do end up getting heavier with each step.. For that kind of mud, you need a true mud tire like the toyo or super swamper. BFG's were alright in it, but sometimes the bigger lugs of the original super swampers and thornbirds were better. I use goodyear durratracks on my Taco and they work well enough in the light mud we have around here. They are very similar to the Kelly safari TSR's.


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Originally Posted by 4th_point
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Walk a quarter mile in mud and each boot weighed 20 lb. Use a wire brush to get it off. It was miserable stuff.


It's amazing stuff. I think a student in Montana wrote a research paper on gumbo. From what I remember, it's clay and volcanic ash (the bentonite).

I don't see it here in Western Oregon, but most of the dirt roads are well maintained and gravel, although we have lots of clay. In Central and Eastern Oregon, I see gumbo. When I was riding motos, it was a concern on our spring and summer trips as a quick shower could stop a moto in its tracks. Same for a car or truck.

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I've had mud pack tight enough under a bike fender to lock up the tire. I had to clean it out with a screwdriver to even move. That's why real dirt bikes have the fenders a foot above the tire.

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I’ve run a few sets of Cooper STT MAXX and I’m on my 2nd set of STT Pros. All of the tires have been on Ram 3500 with a Cummins. Aired up to 75-80 pounds they’ve been okay till it starts getting nasty. Air them down to 25 pounds and my truck moves around like it supposed to. Both of them have a little him on the road compared to the highway’ish tires that come on the trucks.

Whoever said tires were a compromise was spot on. My trucks are used to pull trailers and move around hunting units so I air on the side of more aggressive tires. I get about 50k per set but the last 10k they’re pretty slim on solid traction but still better than the highway tires the trucks come with.


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It'll be 2 to 3 years before I need new ones. I wonder what the recommendations will be then.


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Originally Posted by gunzo
Some of the best "Mud" tires fail in certain types of mud. Asking for an AT thats good in mud is like asking a hooker to cook a gourmet meal.

LMAO, I’m going to use that one around the boys :-)

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Decent but not an AT tire.

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Had pretty good luck with the Toyo Open Country RT in mud on my last truck. They bridge the gap between the AT and MT pretty well. Truck I just got has some KO2's on them, not to ild about them, but they are almost new, so I'll rum em until I gotta replace them...

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BFG AT rode nice on the road, decent offroad while fairly new.
Worn out by 30K.

Much prefer the Goodyear MTR. Noisier but not horrible. Not as good when wet on pavement.
But a solid champ offroad and got 40K per set (orig version and newer).

Think one should buy an SUV for DD and one for hunting. Road and mud tires, no in between.

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Originally Posted by hookeye
BFG AT rode nice on the road, decent offroad while fairly new.
Worn out by 30K.

Much prefer the Goodyear MTR. Noisier but not horrible. Not as good when wet on pavement.
But a solid champ offroad and got 40K per set (orig version and newer).

Think one should buy an SUV for DD and one for hunting. Road and mud tires, no in between.


Then here in the N we need 2 cars and 4 sets of tires. Once mid Nov-early Dec rolls around up here, MT's suck on the hard-packed snow and ice that covers our roads for 4-5Mo so you really should have snows, or at least a Mountain Snowflake rated AT.


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Horse1,
Yah the all terrain with a three peak snowflake rating is the way to go, value wise. One set of tires for all season here in Alaska.

BFG AT, Goodyear Duratrac and Falken AT3W all have it. Of those three, the Duratracs are the best in mud. Falken are ok, but mine are made in Taiwan.

BFG AT ko2, though good on ice and snow, are terrible in the mud. With front and rear differential lockers engaged on an 80 series landcruiser, they still sucked on my muddy road that has no state service. Could barely get out even with lockers in spring.

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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
Horse1,
Yah the all terrain with a three peak snowflake rating is the way to go, value wise. One set of tires for all season here in Alaska.

BFG AT, Goodyear Duratrac and Falken AT3W all have it. Of those three, the Duratracs are the best in mud. Falken are ok, but mine are made in Taiwan.

BFG AT ko2, though good on ice and snow, are terrible in the mud. With front and rear differential lockers engaged on an 80 series landcruiser, they still sucked on my muddy road that has no state service. Could barely get out even with lockers in spring.


I used to have those on a full sized Blazer. When this desert soil gets wet, it gets really greasy. Normally you won't sink too deep but you'll spin all over the place. I wasn't too impressed with them either.


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Originally Posted by mainer_in_ak
Horse1,
Yah the all terrain with a three peak snowflake rating is the way to go, value wise. One set of tires for all season here in Alaska.

BFG AT, Goodyear Duratrac and Falken AT3W all have it. Of those three, the Duratracs are the best in mud. Falken are ok, but mine are made in Taiwan.

BFG AT ko2, though good on ice and snow, are terrible in the mud. With front and rear differential lockers engaged on an 80 series landcruiser, they still sucked on my muddy road that has no state service. Could barely get out even with lockers in spring.


I had good AT tires on our suburban that did really well on packed snow and ice. The problem with them is when the snow gets deep. They struggle or have gotten us stuck when the snow is deep. We have 2 miles of gravel county road to get to the highway and that is rarely plowed. I went to Firestone Destination MTs that were siped to get down the road when snow is deep. Once we get to the highway the siping helps with the ice and snowpacked roads plus auto 4

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Some vehicles these days don't have enough room for front chains. I run narrower than stock tires on my pickup just for that reason. With stock tires, I can only use those thin car chains. With narrower tires, I can use any kind of chains. That said, in 8 years since I bought it, I've never had to chain the front.


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