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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: kk alaska] #14538865 02/04/20
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Originally Posted by kk alaska
Hubert I bought a Win Model 12 16 Guage from someone on the fire, has the old style Poly adjustable choke. Nice shotgun have noticed some brands of 16 gauge shells will hang up on ejection.

The one I sold here had a plain barrel that was bout an inch short I think.. It was a heck of a good grouse gun. I don't know if it had any choke or not. I sold it because of my age and don't know if I would of used it anymore...



Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14547984 02/06/20
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The Browning BPS 16 ga is built on a 20 ga frame. Merkel makes some 16 ga guns, such as the 1620, on a 20 ga frame. I think the Dickinson 16 ga sxs is a 12 ga frame, but I could be wrong on that.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14548089 02/06/20
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Remington 11-48 16s did have a 16 receiver, IIRC. I also was thinking rem 31s were scaled correctly, too. Browning Auto 5s in 16 had a 16ga scared frame. They also had a 3-shot version, which lightened the front end, as well as a Superlight on an alloy 16ga receiver. Good luck finding either, but the alloy gun was under 6#, (again) IIRC. Marlin 90s are sought after in 16, and the Winchester 1200 in 16 is a sleeper, cuz it’s on an alloy receiver.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Yoder409] #14552083 02/08/20
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Originally Posted by Yoder409
I think...………...…. I THINK...………..the Model 21 's in 16 gauge are built on the 12 gauge frame.

I don't have my 12 gauge 21 at home at the moment. But the 16 with 28" barrels weighs in at just under 6 3/4 pounds. Still feels wonderful in the hands. But, seemingly, a good bit heavy, I'm thinking, were it on a smaller frame.

When the 12 gauge comes back home, I can give better info, I reckon


The 16 gauge 21s were built in a 16 gauge frame. I think these feel better than any of the 21s.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: GF1] #14552139 02/08/20
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I think...………...…. I THINK...………..the Model 21 's in 16 gauge are built on the 12 gauge frame.

I don't have my 12 gauge 21 at home at the moment. But the 16 with 28" barrels weighs in at just under 6 3/4 pounds. Still feels wonderful in the hands. But, seemingly, a good bit heavy, I'm thinking, were it on a smaller frame.

When the 12 gauge comes back home, I can give better info, I reckon


The 16 gauge 21s were built in a 16 gauge frame. I think these feel better than any of the 21s.


I've not handled any of the other sub-gauge 21's. But between the 12 and the 16, for general day in, day out, upland hunting, the 16 would get my nod.

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14608302 02/26/20
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The proper way to measure a SXS or O/U frame is the distance between the firing pin holes. A 20ga frame that can be barreled for 16ga barrels is to big and not really a true 20ga frame. Look at some prewar European guns for a real 16ga frame. In addition a 16 should weigh less than a 12, many do not.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Slope77] #14614199 02/28/20
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Originally Posted by Slope77
The Browning BPS 16 ga is built on a 20 ga frame. Merkel makes some 16 ga guns, such as the 1620, on a 20 ga frame. I think the Dickinson 16 ga sxs is a 12 ga frame, but I could be wrong on that.


I was wrong on the Dickinsons - they are on a 16 ga frame.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Ken/Kebco] #14618057 02/29/20
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Originally Posted by Ken/Kebco
The proper way to measure a SXS or O/U frame is the distance between the firing pin holes. A 20ga frame that can be barreled for 16ga barrels is to big and not really a true 20ga frame. Look at some prewar European guns for a real 16ga frame. In addition a 16 should weigh less than a 12, many do not.




For the most part that applies today. However, at one time companies like Parker made different frame sizes for the same gauge. There are rare examples of 10gauge barrels on 20gauge frames.

A 16 gauge on any 20gauge frame will be lighter with the16Gauge barrels than if it had 20’s.

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14665695 03/15/20
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Parker made 16s on 0,1/2,1 and 3 frame guns over the years. This info is available on the PGCA website. I have an 0 frame that weighs in at 5#14oz w/26" barrels. WICKED little quail gun, great for teal over decoys as well. My prewar M21 is, I believe, on a 20ga. frame. Appears identical to my M21 20 ga. guns, slightly lighter (note: it's a splinter/double trigger, 20's are beaver tail w/sst)

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14798021 04/18/20
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Stevens/Savage has a new Turkish made O/U built on a scaled alloy frame. It’s lightweight, well balanced and handles great.

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14799726 04/19/20
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The Winchester model 12 used the same frame for the 20 and the 16 and 28. Yes they are a joy to handle and point very well. I have a 16 gauge that I take to Pelee Island every year for the Pheasant Hunt. The action is not as smooth as a Remington 31, which I also own, put it points and handles better.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14821978 04/26/20
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Shotgun details aren't in my field of interest, however. My Ithaca Flues from 1913 must surely be on a true 16 bore frame or built on a 20. It handles like a magic stick.


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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: MikeL2] #14823200 04/26/20
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Originally Posted by MikeL2
The Ithaca model 37 uses receivers scaled for the 16 gauge, and are great pump guns.


I bought a new made in Ohio model 37 in 16 ga. Not sure of frame size, but it was very heavy. I sold it.


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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: dale06] #14823531 04/26/20
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Originally Posted by dale06
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The Ithaca model 37 uses receivers scaled for the 16 gauge, and are great pump guns.


I bought a new made in Ohio model 37 in 16 ga. Not sure of frame size, but it was very heavy. I sold it.


My first shotgun was an "original" Model 37 16 gauge, a late '40's gun. It handled and functioned like a dream. Unfortunately, a duck hunting mishap consigned it to the bottom of the St. Lawrence river. If I understand correctly, the "new" Ithaca 37's, when they made a 16 gauge (which they don't seem to list anymore) were on their 12 gauge frame. To add insult to injury, they make all their 12 and 20 gauge guns with a receiver for 3" cartridges. To my mind, that's a complete ruination of the Model 37. My current 16 gauge guns are a Fox Sterlingworth and a Merkel 1620. I also have 20 gauge barrels for the 1620 and use those to shoot clays, generally, and the 16 gauge barrels when bird hunting.



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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: kingston] #14852078 05/06/20
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Originally Posted by kingston
Original Parker 0 Frame 16 gauges are built on a “20 Ga.” frame.


I have a Parker reproduction with the 20 gauge factory barrels and the 16 gauge Kreighoff barrels and can confirm that both the reproduction and originals used 20 gauge frame.


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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14856630 05/07/20
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I have an 870 16ga and it is on a 12ga receiver. It handles and balances better than a 12ga for me.


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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: dale06] #14857217 05/07/20
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Originally Posted by dale06
Originally Posted by MikeL2
The Ithaca model 37 uses receivers scaled for the 16 gauge, and are great pump guns.


I bought a new made in Ohio model 37 in 16 ga. Not sure of frame size, but it was very heavy. I sold it.


Yep those are heavy. I have a deluxe vent rib made in 62 that is just right, think it weighs in at 6.5 lbs.

Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Pugs] #14869868 05/12/20
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Originally Posted by Pugs
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Original Parker 0 Frame 16 gauges are built on a “20 Ga.” frame.


I have a Parker reproduction with the 20 gauge factory barrels and the 16 gauge Kreighoff barrels and can confirm that both the reproduction and originals used 20 gauge frame.



You and I have the same Reproduction set...Very few of them got out....

As far as original Parkers and the 16 Gauge; while some were made on the 20Gauge frame, others were also made on a larger frame.

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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: Jeff_Marshall] #14870012 05/12/20
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And here is a little mostly unknown fact....

Remington ended up making the last original Parkers, and in fact today will still make you one on custom order.....


http://parkergun.com


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Re: Frame size used for 16 gauge guns (question).... [Re: battue] #14871567 05/12/20
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Originally Posted by battue
You and I have the same Reproduction set...Very few of them got out....

As far as original Parkers and the 16 Gauge; while some were made on the 20Gauge frame, others were also made on a larger frame.


I've only hunted with it once but I have no plans of getting rid of it and hope to use it a lot more. I wish it was IC/Mod but it's skeet and skeet.

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