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John Kelly: Alexander Vindman Did Nothing Wrong, Reported ‘Illegal Order’Clic pic for story President Trump’s former chief of staff Marine Gen. (Ret.) John Kelly praised former National Security Council staffer Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified against the president during the impeachment inquiry, during a speech at Drew University in New Jersey on Wednesday, according to a report. Kelly said, according to the Atlantic, that Vindman is blameless and simply following the training he received as a soldier when he reported concerns he had with the president’s July 25 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the NSC’s general counsel. “He did exactly what we teach them to do from cradle to grave,” Kelly told the audience at the Mayo Performing Arts Center, according to the publication. “He went and told his boss what he just heard.” Kelly said that Vindman was rightly disturbed by the call and said Vindman properly notified his superiors, despite him not going to his direct superiors but instead going to the NSC general counsel and likely sharing his concerns with the “whistleblower,” whose second-hand complaint about the call was used to launch the House Democrats’ impeachment effort. Vindman was asked during the impeachment inquiry who in the intelligence community he spoke to about the call and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) refused to let him answer out of concern for revealing the whistleblower’s identity. Kelly asserted, according to the Atlantic, that Trump did condition military aid on Zelensky’s willingness to dig up dirt on presidential candidate Joe Biden. Kelly left the White House in January 2019, months before the July 25, 2019, phone call. He also reportedly called conditioning military aid to Ukraine on investigating Biden a “momentous change in U.S. policy toward Ukraine,” which Vindman was right to flag since other federal agencies needed to know about the shift. He said: Through the Obama administration up until that phone call, the policy of the U.S. was militarily to support Ukraine in their defensive fight against … the Russians. … And so, when the president said that continued support would be based on X, that essentially changed. And that’s what that guy [Vindman] was most interested in.He also said that when he heard Trump tell Zelensky he wanted to see the Biden family investigated, that was tantamount to an “illegal order.” “We teach them, ‘Don’t follow an illegal order. And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss,'” he reportedly said. Kelly also criticized Trump for intervening in the case of Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher, according to the Atlantic. Trump stepped in to allow Gallagher to stay in the SEALs and reversed a demotion after he was acquitted of murdering a teenage Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) fighter but convicted on one count for posing with the fighter’s corpse. “The idea that the commander in chief intervened there, in my opinion, was exactly the wrong thing to do… Had I been there, I think I could have prevented it,” he reportedly said. After a woman in the crowd said that Trump had “elevated” Gallagher, Kelly reportedly responded, “Yep.”
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Heard about this today and just don't know what to think about him.
Maybe he is just mad because he got the axe.
Happens from time to time when one gets over their head in a new job.
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Kelly proved he had contempt for his boss and could not hide it. That's why he was fired.
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Just two questions.
Who is the Commander in Chief and who is Kelly to decide if his orders are illegal or "the wrong thing to do"?
Kelly doesnt apparently understand the "Commander in Chief" part ..
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So, how does Kelly feel about Vindeman leaking classified info?
Ecc 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
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So, how does Kelly feel about Vindeman leaking classified info? How does Kelly feel about Vindmann lying?
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Whew were alot of us wrong about him.
"Maybe we're all happy."
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Kelly proved he had contempt for his boss and could not hide it. That's why he was fired. BINGO!
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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Kelly proved he had contempt for his boss and could not hide it. That's why he was fired. BINGO! So, how does Kelly feel about Vindeman leaking classified info? How does Kelly feel about Vindmann lying? Apparently he is fine with both, as long as the, Get Trump Objective, is accomplished. Anyone notice that Leaks coming from the White House have diminished greatly since Kelly was fired.
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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If you think all military officers are Republicans or even conservatives, you would be sadly mistaken. Most have been educated by the progressive university scumbags and some are as liberal as can be. They lick the boots of the ones who hot them where they are..
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I have believed all along that Kelly is "annonymous"- the traitor in the Whitehouse who the wrote the NYT op eds and the Book.
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TRUMP made a classic mistake when he surrounded himself with "His Generals". Like many, he forgot that the military is made up of individuals, good, bad, and indifferent. Worse, at general officer levels, they are often more politician than soldier.
Trump, in his patriotism and deep respect for these guys thought he was getting a high level of competence, loyal, and devotion.
Instead he got self aggrandizing people who are used to being the boss. People who thought they made policy, not followed it.
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I have believed all along that Kelly is "annonymous"- the traitor in the Whitehouse who the wrote the NYT op eds and the Book. Maybe, but haven't we been told that in the coming day/weeks this person will be exposed and escorted from the White House?
Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Give a man a welfare check, a forty ounce malt liquor, a crack pipe, an Obama phone, free health insurance. and some Air Jordan's and he votes Democrat for a lifetime.
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I don't think Trump ever expected the level of insubordination he has experienced. Especially among the military top command.
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I don't think Trump ever expected the level of insubordination he has experienced. Especially among the military top command.
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I don't think Trump ever expected the level of insubordination he has experienced. Especially among the military top command. I didn't either.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
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