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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14569720 02/13/20
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KAL mould coming thanks to gunner500 now to call powderinc and get some Olde Eynsford powder! Half the fun is getting all the stuff ready! I just had a friend that works on x-rays give me a whole bunch more lead!


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14569948 02/13/20
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Originally Posted by pacecars
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That's the big 750gr flat nosed greaser before and after 9ft of Eland, a 338 cal 210gr NPT for scale, that bullet is a hunting hammer pacecars.


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Originally Posted by pacecars
Damn enabler

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LOL, top pic is closeup of 5 at 500 yards, you can see three splashed into the same grey smoke splat spot before I started to get a little vertical with shots 4 and 5, group measured 5x6.5 inches for just over MOA.
2nd pic is with the rifle and loading block of 24 hulls and a spare round left after testing, along with the 16lb bull barrel beast that put them there.
3rd pic is 5 at 400 yards, it measured 2x3.5 inches for a good bit under MOA, that's some really fun stuff when that happens!

That mould will make you a dandy pacecars and the same kind I used for the groups above in my 50, make sure that lead is not pure, if it is, you need to add 3lbs of Lyman #2 alloy to seven pounds of pure lead for every 10lbs you put in the pot, Lyman #2 can be bought and delivered by RotoMetals out of Cali, you'll need to harden those big long heavy bullets up a bit.


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14570265 02/13/20
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I believe the plates are pure lead. I will order some #2 from rotometals. I have to cut up the plates or get a REALLY BIG pot and melt them down on the fish fryer to get them down to easy to manage sizes. I guess everything is bigger for the “Big 50”

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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14572102 02/14/20
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That will work pacecars, I keep a chopping ax and a creosote railroad tie out by my casting pot, Wife gave me an old canning scale for weighing my lead, with a little practice over the years, I can get pretty close whacking chunks off those 5lb bars from RotoMetals.

BTW, some of the alloys from RotoMetals can be purchased in 5lb bags of lead pellets, much easier and safer to weigh out.

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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14572808 02/14/20
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So the 50-90, 100, and 110 all use the same case?

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No , big Jim they don't. the 50-110 has a different base and rim diameter than the 50-2.5 Sharps. The 348 Win was based on the 50-110 case. The 50-1 3/4", 50-2.5" , and 50-3.25" cases are all on the same case rim diameter and base diameter. 50-90 & 50-100 are the same 2.5" case just different loads. mb

Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14576559 02/15/20
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5 at 700 yds

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Back of gong looking down to bench 700 yds away

Both courtesy of gunner500. I am looking to find somewhere to even see that far around here!


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14576581 02/15/20
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LOL pacecars, wrong pic, the first pic is the small group shot at 400 yards, 700 yard group was six shots in 10 inches.

But yes,, the second pic is correct, the bench sits to the left of the second small treeline down in the pasture.


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14576597 02/15/20
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Well crap. Tried to upload both pics at the same time and it only did the back of the target one. I didn’t pay attention when I pulled them off post image.com to see it was the older pic. OOPS. Here is the correct one

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Go with it man. I am trying to make you look better!
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Originally Posted by pacecars
Well crap. Tried to upload both pics at the same time and it only did the back of the target one. I didn’t pay attention when I pulled them off post image.com to see it was the older pic. OOPS. Here is the correct one

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LOL, there you go, I need all the help I can get, pretty sure Quigley's milk bucket wasn't ten inches across, and he hit it three times, off hand! eek grin


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Do you want a 50-90 in a single shot or a lever rifle?


I really like that lever rifle I have in 45-90.

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I guess the crash dumped my response. The .50-90 is a single shot only proposition. You can get a .50-95 in an 1876 and a .50-110 Express in an 1886 but both are not near as powerful as the Sharps round


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14579897 02/17/20
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pacecars, I lost some too, I was telling Big Jim think of a 50-90 Sharps as a 2.5 inch cased 500 Nitro Express.

Think you mentioned something about that too, I have no doubt a 50-90 loaded with the right smokeless in a Ruger #1 would push the 570gr solids and softs to an easy 2150 fps, the excellent Starline brass would handle that easily.

I load H-4350 in my 500 Nitro, a powder too slow in a straight walled case, but fills the monstrous case with no fillers needed, really accurate and regulates beautifully at 2168 fps with nice lower chamber pressures for the doubles.


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: Jim_Conrad] #14585303 02/18/20
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Originally Posted by Jim_Conrad
Do you want a 50-90 in a single shot or a lever rifle?


I really like that lever rifle I have in 45-90.
The only way to go is the Shiloh Sharps model 1874 although I believe Pedersoli now makes their 1874 in 50-90 and would be several hundred dollars cheaper. The quality of the American made Shiloh will be worth the extra money. Both these guns are replicas of the big buffalo rifles used to do in the Bison herds from around 1868 to about 1884 with the Montana herd being the last to go. The Winchester 1886 was never used for this because it was not around when there were significant numbers of Buffalo. Even the Winchester 1876 was late to the game and more of a hunter's gun than a market hunting gun. The '76 was chambered in rounds big enough for Buff but not approaching the size of the Sharps cartridges. I expect some were used, but nothing extensively.

The Buffalo hunt started in Kansas with converted Civil War Trapdoor Springfields in 50-70 and Remington Rolling Blocks. Soon the Sharps Conversions were the darling of the hunt and the culmination of the Sharps for Buffalo was the model 1874. The 50 caliber was a favorite early-on but by the time the hunt moved from Kansas to Texas and up through Colorado to Wyoming and the last days in Montana, the 45 caliber variants became favored.

You can outfit a Shiloh in about any configuration you want from common Business type rifles favored on the prairies to wild setups designed to wring every last modern ounce of performance out of a given cartridge.


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Sounds like a good deal.

Is the 50 that much better than the big 45's?

I will admit that I like my 45-90 better than my 45-70.

Just because its bigger I guess.

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Whether it is "better" or not depends on perspective. I'd guess Gunner will be back on this thread and it appears he could offer up more than many others since he has both. Sharps cartridge rifles started out as conversions that evolved into what became known as the model 1874. The cartridges they were chambered for followed a similar pattern. This is all from memory and mine may be flawed. For an excellent rundown get the Sellers book on Sharps. Frank Sellers. I met him and bought mine from him personally at some gunshow...probably in Kansas City. He looked at an original I had at the time. Its been awhile.

But the cartridges utilized followed the same pattern I talked about before. The early ones were 50-70's followed by the 45-70 and the 50 caliber got a bigger case. At the same time, others were being developed. You saw the 44-77 and 44-90 which were relatively early offerings. By 1874 the 50-90 was probably the most sought-after rifle on the plains. After the Red River War, the tribes on the southern plains were pretty much subdued and the Buffalo really were being killed off in earnest. You move up north and west into Colorado and some experimental stuff was being tried, .40 calibers and the like. I would expect this was to hold recoil down. The big, long 45's were the last and I think, some believe they were the best killers.

I think a lot of the rifles today are sold more on history and the likes of the individual buyer than what is the flat-out best killing machine. There are those who just want a Sharps and the 45-70 is by far the most popular cartridge that Sharps normally chamer-not that it's the biggest seller amongst Shiloh's and C. Sharps Arms. I have no idea what that would be. But the 45-70 will kill anything on the planet, is very available, has very available components and dies, a lot of data and can easily be loaded to levels that the recoil won't cause a trip to the chiropractor. It's also available in cheaper guns than the American made ones. But some guys just want to experience the guns and rounds used at certain points in the hunt. I haven't had one of the longer 45's but experienced people here see them as the best killers of big game.


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: pacecars] #14588617 02/20/20
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I have had Shilohs in .40-50 SBN, .40-70 SBN, .44-77 SBN, .45-70, .45-100, .45-110 and am now waiting on the .50-90. I am one of those that want to try as many as possible and although I have not shot anything bigger than a deer or hog I have enjoyed hunting with all of them. The .40-50 would be a little light for anything bigger than deer but the rest are quite capable of taking Elk and Buffalo according to all the books on the history of Buffalo hunting. The .50-90 was said to put Buffalo down quickly but according to the sales records from Sharps there were not a whole lot of them made. I do imagine that there were probably a lot of .50-70s that had their chamber lengthened but that is an assumption that I don’t have any proof to back it up with. The big .45-110 was another very effective Buffalo caliber that was used a lot along with the .40-90 SBN in the latter part of the Buffalo era because they had a flatter trajectory allowing for longer shots. One of the reasons I want the .50-90 is curiosity and the fact that I don’t have one.


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Re: .50-90 Shiloh [Re: EthanEdwards] #14589017 02/20/20
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Yes EE, the 50-90 being better or best is quiet subjective imho.

Things a 50-90 is better at:

Recoil, it's going to kick the crap out of you
Uses a lot of lead, 700-750 grain bullets drain a casting pot
Uses a lot of powder, you can oddly enough put 130grs of powder in a 50-90 case.
Hard to shoot accurately due to torque and recoil
Long heavy bullets fly really well, hit damn hard and pack a hell of a lot of momentum, I for one will not deny physics.

As far as killing better, I don't know, need more research, and that will start with my big 45's on heavy game, that said, my 45-70 has shot completely through a large buffalo [bison] at 212 yards with 530gr paper patch ammo, it also took a cape buffalo and tough zebra in Africa, the 50-90 went 9ft in an Eland bull and flew through a big Sable bull like he was made of newspaper.

Even the little 40-65 has shot lengthways through two white tail deer for me.


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