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Originally Posted by NVhntr
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Do you think you would be a Christian if you were born in Saudi Arabia?
Or India?
Or Japan?
Or Nepal?


And not one direct answer to my questions.

Do Christians believe that the other 3/4 of the world are going to hell?

There are a LOT more Christians in those countries than you can imagine. You don't hear about them because it's often illegal to be a Christian. It can be death. There are missionaries working under cover in all of them and their results are amazing. People there are starving for the truth. Jesus said that if you knock the door will be opened. Many are knocking and everyone who does will get an answer.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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“Sanctioned”? more like allowed.
They are sanctioned by satan.


you dont know what 'sanctioned" means?



SANCTION

[ˈsaŋ(k)ʃ(ə)n]
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sanctioned (past tense) · sanctioned (past participle)

1.give official permission or approval for (an action).

i know exactly what it means.
God does not do the destruction Himself.
He gives permission or approval to satan to do it....duh.


So conspiracy to commit murder should legal?

By your standards Mao and Stalin were ok guys since they didn't do the murdering themselves.


Apparently it's quite fine to have people tortured or killed as long as you don't get your own hands dirty.

Besides, the bible describes God killing people personally and directly.

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“Sanctioned”? more like allowed.
They are sanctioned by satan.


Originally Posted by Tom264


re:' sanctioned"

i know exactly what it means.

He gives permission or approval to satan to do it....duh.



lol...you are certified dope.



So ? You never read Job?
Got it.


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Originally Posted by Tom264

So You never read Job?


Try reading your own posts to see how stupid you are.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By your standards Mao and Stalin were ok guys since they didn't do the murdering themselves.

good grief....reading comprehension is apparently not your thing.
Mao and Stalin DID the killing
God ALLOWED it
MY standards are not even in the equation.....


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So starman has no comeback worth anything?
Name calling now?
Pffft


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Mao and Stalin were tools in the hand of satan given permission by God to carry out His ultimate plan.
Call God what you will, one day you can ask Him face to face your own questions in your own Snyde way.
We’ll see how far that carries you.


I find it interesting how you are unable to critically evaluate the morality of your god sanctioning the misery wrought by Stalin and Mao, then, in the same breath, issue your threats of hellfire for those who would dare to question.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Tom264
So starman has no comeback worth anything?
Name calling now?


Its not name calling, you actually are stupid
as demonstrated.

For you (for some stupid reason) , argued against my
completely appropriate use of the word 'sanctioned'.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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Mao and Stalin were tools in the hand of satan given permission by God to carry out His ultimate plan.
Call God what you will, one day you can ask Him face to face your own questions in your own Snyde way.
We’ll see how far that carries you.


I find it interesting how you are unable to critically evaluate the morality of your god sanctioning the misery wrought by Stalin and Mao, then, in the same breath, issue your threats of hellfire for those who would dare to question.

That’s because you nor I have ZERO authority or anything to question God in His decisions.
Carry on.


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Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

There it is in a nutshell. You believe or you don't. You're saved or you're not. There's no other option.


Seems simple enough, but what about God calling only those who he knows will answer, and not bothering with the others?

Ok.
Scenario.

I am your neighbor, I have cookies for sale.....I know you don’t eat cookies because of your sugar diabetes but knowing you are my neighbor and we are friends and I don’t want to hurt your feelings I ask you anyways knowing well ahead you will not purchase them.
In this case I know you won’t buy my cookies....I offer them to you anyways because we are great friends....you still say no. Now what?


Well that depends...are you the one who made me diabetic?

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Not sure I can add anything other than I daily thank the Lord for saving me. He sent his son to die an awful death that my sins be forgiven and I have life everlasting. He lives me way more than I ever deserve. Not always/usually what I want but always what I need.

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Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By your standards Mao and Stalin were ok guys since they didn't do the murdering themselves.

good grief....reading comprehension is apparently not your thing.
Mao and Stalin DID the killing
God ALLOWED it
MY standards are not even in the equation.....


No.

You really think Mao and Stalin personally pulled the trigger 150 million times, just the two of them? Or did they delegate, like how you claim your god delegates to your satin.

God delegating to Satin, who delegates to Stalin and Mao, who delegate to their underlings, doesn't change the Christian position that all this suffering and Evil starts with your God.

In the words of Epicurus:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then from whence comes evil?"


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by xxclaro
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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

There it is in a nutshell. You believe or you don't. You're saved or you're not. There's no other option.


Seems simple enough, but what about God calling only those who he knows will answer, and not bothering with the others?

Ok.
Scenario.

I am your neighbor, I have cookies for sale.....I know you don’t eat cookies because of your sugar diabetes but knowing you are my neighbor and we are friends and I don’t want to hurt your feelings I ask you anyways knowing well ahead you will not purchase them.
In this case I know you won’t buy my cookies....I offer them to you anyways because we are great friends....you still say no. Now what?


Well that depends...are you the one who made me diabetic?

Good grief........


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Originally Posted by Tom264
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Mao and Stalin were tools in the hand of satan given permission by God to carry out His ultimate plan.
Call God what you will, one day you can ask Him face to face your own questions in your own Snyde way.
We’ll see how far that carries you.


I find it interesting how you are unable to critically evaluate the morality of your god sanctioning the misery wrought by Stalin and Mao, then, in the same breath, issue your threats of hellfire for those who would dare to question.

That’s because you nor I have ZERO authority or anything to question God in His decisions.
Carry on.


And that is this biggest problem with religious types such as yourself. It is your unwillingness to ask the hard questions, such as does a given claim of a supernatural being meet it's burden of proof. If it does, is this being moral and ethical, and if not, would it be moral and ethical for me to follow it?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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My grandparents raised me from about 3 to 11.my grandmother always talked about religion and sent me to sunday school . so it is her fault that I have some belief in god . and it influences how I make decisions.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

And that is this biggest problem with religious types such as yourself. It is your unwillingness to ask the hard questions, such as does a given claim of a supernatural being meet it's burden of proof. If it does, is this being moral and ethical, and if not, would it be moral and ethical for me to follow it?

I don’t need proof if I have faith.


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Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
Rom 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

There it is in a nutshell. You believe or you don't. You're saved or you're not. There's no other option.


Seems simple enough, but what about God calling only those who he knows will answer, and not bothering with the others?

Ok.
Scenario.

I am your neighbor, I have cookies for sale.....I know you don’t eat cookies because of your sugar diabetes but knowing you are my neighbor and we are friends and I don’t want to hurt your feelings I ask you anyways knowing well ahead you will not purchase them.
In this case I know you won’t buy my cookies....I offer them to you anyways because we are great friends....you still say no. Now what?


Well that depends...are you the one who made me diabetic?

Good grief........


Sorry just got in from working and didn't see the thread had moved on...

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I can’t say it better than He did:

Who is this that obscures my plans
with words without knowledge?
3 Brace yourself like a man;
I will question you,
and you shall answer me.
4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6 On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
7 while the morning stars sang together
and all the angels[a] shouted for joy?
8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors
when it burst forth from the womb,
9 when I made the clouds its garment
and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10 when I fixed limits for it
and set its doors and bars in place,
11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther;
here is where your proud waves halt’?
12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning,
or shown the dawn its place,
13 that it might take the earth by the edges
and shake the wicked out of it?
14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal;
its features stand out like those of a garment.
15 The wicked are denied their light,
and their upraised arm is broken.
16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17 Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness?
18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
19 “What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
20 Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21 Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow
or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23 which I reserve for times of trouble,
for days of war and battle?
24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed,
or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain,
and a path for the thunderstorm,
26 to water a land where no one lives,
an uninhabited desert,
27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland
and make it sprout with grass?
28 Does the rain have a father?
Who fathers the drops of dew?
29 From whose womb comes the ice?
Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30 when the waters become hard as stone,
when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades?
Can you loosen Orion’s belt?
32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c]
or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs?
33 Do you know the laws of the heavens?
Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth?
34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds
and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?
Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
36 Who gives the ibis wisdom[f]
or gives the rooster understanding?[g]
37 Who has the wisdom to count the clouds?
Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38 when the dust becomes hard
and the clods of earth stick together?
39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

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Many people have faith, Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Buddhist, Shinto, etc, etc..... faith cannot sort fact from fiction.

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Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

By your standards Mao and Stalin were ok guys since they didn't do the murdering themselves.

good grief....reading comprehension is apparently not your thing.
Mao and Stalin DID the killing
God ALLOWED it
MY standards are not even in the equation.....


Correction, Mao and Stalin, et al, had other people doing the killing.

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