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Originally Posted by jimmyp
I am only interested in it from a PDW standpoint. Longer barrel more velocity maybe? Then you need a pistol to match. It's just a huge step in a direction I am not totally sold on.


Yes.

This makes the 5.7 more interesting, especially at 3.6 pounds:



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Having a 5.7 here, that looks TEN times better than an 8 shot 1911 and again, sarcastically, would make for a damnfine hog gun and deer pistol ...

Hell, you could get 52 taps on a critter before 3 rounds of ACP. Hitting is paramount....

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That Diamond back looks really interesting

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TTAG just published an esoteric puff piece on stopping power. The gist of which seemed to say that solid hits with a handgun of any caliber produced any variety of results, so just buy something you can hit with. The 5.7 x 28 falls into easy to hit with category.


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
TTAG just published an esoteric puff piece on stopping power. The gist of which seemed to say that solid hits with a handgun of any caliber produced any variety of results, so just buy something you can hit with. The 5.7 x 28 falls into easy to hit with category.

Yeah...

I recall one day I realized seeing shots in the field. I couldn't tell the difference between a deer's reaction to being hit squarely with a .257 vs. a .30-06. Made me take a real second look at rifle power.

About 20 years ago, I realized the 9mm had finally got to the point where the difference between it and other, more powerful cartridges, really didn't amount to much difference on human targets. So if its say 90% of a more powerful cartridge, then the added magazine capacity, generally smaller, lighter handguns, and generally easier to shoot...well, at that point; my .45 started to be less and less appealing.

I'd say the same for the 5.7. Hits are everything! 5.7 is pretty darned easy to hit with, so that makes it a very viable defensive handgun. I'm not giving up my 9mm (or my .45), but it's a good, viable pistol/cartridge combination.

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Originally Posted by jimmyp
TTAG just published an esoteric puff piece on stopping power. The gist of which seemed to say that solid hits with a handgun of any caliber produced any variety of results, so just buy something you can hit with. The 5.7 x 28 falls into easy to hit with category.



Define "solid hits"



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JWP hits in the thoracic cavity, or head.


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Originally Posted by jimmyp
JWP hits in the thoracic cavity, or head.



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It seemed to suggest that a center mass 45ACP of any bullet construction was about equal to a center mass for a 380 of any bullet construction. You can read it anyway you want, but there are so many vagaries in a human response to being shot that its almost impossible to generate a black and white answer.


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A CNS hit is a CNS hit.

Outside the CNS, things are less certain, and to some degree, everything matters.

In general, bullets of modern construction are less forgiving to the recipient, but the other variables are still variables.

If being able to hit was all that mattered, why carry anything better than a .22LR with 40gr lead solids?


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and truthfully who knows? We have transitioned from 54 caliber bullets in handguns, to the norm now about 35 caliber. It is impossible to find anything logical other than big solid bullets are needed to penetrate through a buffalo. The 22LR is probably the most lethal cartridge in the world based on people being shot dead with it, OTOH the vagaries of human reaction to being shot are infinitely varied. Regan was shot with a 22 and did not know he was even hit, others shot with a 22 COM react differently. I would not carry a 22LR unless its all I had.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
A CNS hit is a CNS hit.

Outside the CNS, things are less certain, and to some degree, everything matters.

In general, bullets of modern construction are less forgiving to the recipient, but the other variables are still variables.

If being able to hit was all that mattered, why carry anything better than a .22LR with 40gr lead solids?


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In these kinds of "discussions" eventually someone will take things so extreme that the .22LR comes up. Isn't it obvious that ANYTHING can be taken to the point of absurdity?

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Odd "modern bullet contsruction" hasnt elevated the 22 LR into something it isnt; perhaps because "modern bullet construction" from handguns was pretty much plateaued with lead over a hundred years ago.

Which is why it was banned from battle at about the same time.

No matter, everyone is so much smarter now..the 9mm is a 45 is a 380.

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The five seven is an interesting handgun cartridge. You have to wonder what that new 40 grain gold dot ammunition would do.


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