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Originally Posted by Starman
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Spiritual matters are spiritually revealed. I couldn't believe either until it was revealed to me

You mean you had a Paul type revelation?

Do claims of spiritual revelation from
Non Christians count?.. or is such only
possible through being a Christian?


I did have a revelation.

I'll let someone else engage you on whether others can have revelations and where those come from and what they might be.


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Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
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Prove that it’s ancient mythology.


LOL.... Well of course all other ancient
Norse, Greek, Persian, Roman, Celtic,
Asiatic. Etc etc. Mythology is just that,
and accepted by scholars as such.

All Except for your ancient safety blanket cult belief.

TFF.

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Your unbelief is a secular myth..


Spoken just like we would expect by
a member of any religious cult.





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Originally Posted by Starman
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I’m saying one thing


NO, your posts clearly show you saying two
different things regarding your prayers.




You are clearly confused I am not.
Especially when it comes to God.


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Originally Posted by mauserand9mm
Wouldn't teaching a child to believe in a pagan sect be considered child abuse?

If that child believes in Jesus, it's way beyond child abuse.

Mt 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.


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Starman, in this thread it looks as though you and your usual tactics have been exposed. Well - uh - I suppose one would say that you have exposed yourself.


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What are my 'usual tactics'..?
go ahead expose me!..

Crusty old kook btthurt christians are a laugh a minute.











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Originally Posted by Rickshaw
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And that is this biggest problem with religious types such as yourself. It is your unwillingness to ask the hard questions, such as does a given claim of a supernatural being meet it's burden of proof. If it does, is this being moral and ethical, and if not, would it be moral and ethical for me to follow it?

I don’t need proof if I have faith.


Thank you! This get right to the heart of the matter I think,at least for me. Some people have faith in a certain set of beliefs,in this instance Christianity, and some don't. The big question that I've been trying to figure out for a long time is if there is a choice to be made to have faith or not. So far I can't really see how there is.
The trouble arises when those with faith try to convince those without using evidence, or those without try to convince those with faith that they have evidence to the contrary.

Invariably it seems one side finds the evidence convincing, the other doesn't. Again, I can't see a choice there, it just is what it is. How does one choose to believe what they find unbelievable? How can one stop believing something that they absolutely believe?

I don't really have good answers to these questions, but they are the reason I follow these topics.


I appreciate these questions. I believe scripture teaches that we are bound by our nature. We don't choose God because our nature is to rebel. We can only repent and believe when we've been given a new nature. That's the spiritual rebirth that Jesus spoke of with Nicademus.

I find this forum format difficult to have a meaningful dialogue. I hope this helps.


Yes sir, it is hard to discuss something this big and complicated in such a limiting manner, but we try! I appreciate your response.

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Originally Posted by Rock Chuck
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Wouldn't teaching a child to believe in a pagan sect be considered child abuse?

If that child believes in Jesus, it's way beyond child abuse.
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Children aren't born with any understanding. They accept what's told to them and aren't necessarily capable of the logic to determine fact from fiction. They believe in Santa for a good many years. Wonder how many are "Clayton" believers who don't really believe and go through the motions to keep their family happy, and avoid being dis-owned by them. Religion breeds fear and actually existis because of it. Lucky for me I was born and raised in a non-believing family and had the commense sense, and experiences, to recognise the believers as the nutcases they really are (the blaspheming, child abusing, angery catholics down the road helped forge my understanding).


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Whatever you said...everyone knows you are a lying jerk.

That's a bold assertion. Point out where you think I lied.

Well?
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And the winner is......because my parents were. - - -

No winner there - you are so very wrong.


People who have had no contact with the bible or Christianity cannot become Christians, that can only happen through conditioning, conversion or people being drawn to the faith once it has been established....missionaries or evangelism at work, etc.


You certainly live in a vacuum. There Muslims who became Christian because Jesus came to them.

Read the book The Case For Miracles.


What about the other 1.2 Billion Muslims?

What about all the Christians who converted to Islam?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by Ringman
Originally Posted by xxclaro
Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper

And that is this biggest problem with religious types such as yourself. It is your unwillingness to ask the hard questions, such as does a given claim of a supernatural being meet it's burden of proof. If it does, is this being moral and ethical, and if not, would it be moral and ethical for me to follow it?

I don’t need proof if I have faith.


Thank you! This get right to the heart of the matter I think,at least for me. Some people have faith in a certain set of beliefs,in this instance Christianity, and some don't. The big question that I've been trying to figure out for a long time is if there is a choice to be made to have faith or not. So far I can't really see how there is.
The trouble arises when those with faith try to convince those without using evidence, or those without try to convince those with faith that they have evidence to the contrary.

Invariably it seems one side finds the evidence convincing, the other doesn't. Again, I can't see a choice there, it just is what it is. How does one choose to believe what they find unbelievable? How can one stop believing something that they absolutely believe?

I don't really have good answers to these questions, but they are the reason I follow these topics.


Every one has faith. They exercise it by believing what they can't know. Some believe, by faith, God is. Others, by faith, believe He is not. At least one can point to information and say it can't happen with out Intelligence. The other uses blind faith and believes nothing made information.


You don't even understand the difference between information and a chemical reaction.


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by WhiteTail48
Hey Starman, why don’t you start an unbeliever’s thread? Why do you want to dump on the believer’s thread?
Why are you so obsessed in our love of Jesus Christ our Lord?

Better yet, why don’t you have the balls to believe in Jesus Christ?


It's interesting to me how many Christians claim to believe due to a fear of hell, or a fear of no after life. So who is it that lacks balls?

Same reason not to believe in any other supernatural being, lack of sufficient evidence.

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Originally Posted by Tom264
Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.


Sounds like an admission to the weak nature of your examples.


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I have no fear of hell....totally wrong assessment in my case.
I love my God.
I want to please Him and make Him proud of me.
If He still sends me to Hell then if there is a chance that I could still love Him in hell I would still love Him with all that is in me.


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
We seem to under a counter attack, I think we can stand up to it. laugh


Just not with logic and reason.


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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tom264
Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.


Sounds like an admission to the weak nature of your examples.

Lol.


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Originally Posted by Fireball2


I did have a revelation.

I'll let someone else engage you on whether others can have revelations and where those come from and what they might be.


Who are the revelation experts on the CF
That are capable of soundly judging
Non Christian revelations?

Are you suggesting we take the word of
bias christians to decide the veracity
of non Christian revelation experiences?









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Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
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We seem to under a counter attack, I think we can stand up to it. laugh


Just not with logic and reason.

God is not known by logic and reason.


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Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer
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The book of Job does not paint a nice picture of God or the company He keeps.

Job is a wonderful account of God's grace and mercy..

Job was refined by fire and purified. Job at the end of the book is a better man than when it started. Job was initially said to be a righteous man, but somewhat self righteous. Job thought God was his ace card. When it's over, Job is God's ace card, not the other way around.

The refiner's fire is usually pretty hot. Adversity makes one bitter or better depending on what he brings to the equation.

Some understand it, some don't. Here's why:

1 Corinthians 2:14 (KJV)
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


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Not to worry about his family, servants and livestock, killed by God to prove a point that he himself raised, knowing the outcome from the beginning. A fine display of mercy and justice, haha.

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Originally Posted by Tom264
Originally Posted by antelope_sniper
Originally Posted by Tom264
Trying to paint me in a corner huh?
Even if I gave several examples you would laugh them off and ridicule.


Sounds like an admission to the weak nature of your examples.

Lol.


Let this cat be the pied piper of his “logic and reason”, marching over the hill to his land of bliss. Be done with this dude. There are sooooooo many places and people that you can spend your efforts on. I’d move on to better ground.

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