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Manly men sneer at the .32 ACP/ 7.65 Browning. But it solved a problem in our household. If there was ever a situation, the pistol she carries and shoots for fun is somewhat more effective than the one she always left at home. Tons of old European police trade ins out there, the market is flooded right now, the price is right. The little Ortgies patent by DWM is her favorite...about the thickness of her checkbook-wallet.
Beware the .25...testing one, for function,new ammo, a Colt, for my non gun boss one day...shot it at a aluminum construction sign at 15 yards in the shop..bullet bounced back at about 170 degrees and struck the shop roll-up door, didn't penetrate either. Dumb but informative. He bought a more effective pistol.


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That 380EZ is a soft shooting pistol that’s easy to operate, but it isn’t that small. After much research I bought a Bodyguard 380 and carry it in a pocket holster in my pocket. Also pretty soft shooting. Long trigger pull though, so I’ll replace it with the Santiago trigger. The wife is a revolver girl and won’t carry anything else, and she likes her S&W hammerless 38 with the polymer frame and red dot sight.

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I carry a little S&W 317 when I'm working out in the yard, never worried about running into something 8 minimags wouldn't take care of. Tons of nice Beretta 81s floating around now. For $225 those little 32s are a hell of a bargain.

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If going 22LR, then use a double-action revolver. The ammo isn't reliable enough for an auto.

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Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
A revolver solves the .22 rimfire "misfire" potential. Just pull the trigger again.






WRONG! Sometimes you may only have time for one shot. In a self defense situation, when milliseconds may matter, one needs that first shot to count! What happens if the next round goes 'click' as well? Multiple assailants...need as many rounds as possible, etc.
There's so much that could go wrong with "just pull the trigger again".

When I was a LEO we got a report from a nearby city about a man found staggering around like a drunk that had been detained by a local LEO. Long story short, the suspect was not drunk, he had been shot in the head multiple times with a .25 ACP giving the victim a massive head ache. The bullets had failed to penetrate the skull. Powder burns in the scalp indicated a very close range shooting. Based on that, don't believe I'd want to trust my life to a 25 acp either.

With practice and training there's very few people that can not master a 38, 380, or a 9mm. When it your life or the life of a loved that is on the line being armed with the means of defense is critical. Both practice and training are essential.


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Do you reload?
get her a 38 snubnose to try, load some 38 special at about 400 FPS maybe less and let her shoot that.
Then load it for defense with milder 125-158 grain rounds.
That's what I did for my wife, she can shoot it al she wants and never have recoil be a bother.
I bought my Mom a Beretta 950 about 40 years ago, that seemed to go well also..

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OP,

Pretty sure that what we have here is "a failure to communicate" - your wife is 72 has arthritis and is not small statured, you are trying to buy her what you think will work for her but that is not working out so well.

Let her try a 22 revolver - it is pull the trigger simple, keep pulling the trigger until it doesn't go bang anymore and then pull it a couple of more times. No recoil, intuitive and simple to operate - I don't know how this can be so hard.

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Originally Posted by drover
OP,

Pretty sure that what we have here is "a failure to communicate" - your wife is 72 has arthritis and is not small statured, you are trying to buy her what you think will work for her but that is not working out so well.

Let her try a 22 revolver - it is pull the trigger simple, keep pulling the trigger until it doesn't go bang anymore and then pull it a couple of more times. No recoil, intuitive and simple to operate - I don't know how this can be so hard.

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The M&P EZ above was made for people with arthritis.

OP really should have her give one a spin.


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Originally Posted by MickeyD

Originally Posted by OrangeOkie
A revolver solves the .22 rimfire "misfire" potential. Just pull the trigger again.






WRONG! Sometimes you may only have time for one shot. In a self defense situation, when milliseconds may matter, one needs that first shot to count! What happens if the next round goes 'click' as well? Multiple assailants...need as many rounds as possible, etc.
There's so much that could go wrong with "just pull the trigger again".

When I was a LEO we got a report from a nearby city about a man found staggering around like a drunk that had been detained by a local LEO. Long story short, the suspect was not drunk, he had been shot in the head multiple times with a .25 ACP giving the victim a massive head ache. The bullets had failed to penetrate the skull. Powder burns in the scalp indicated a very close range shooting. Based on that, don't believe I'd want to trust my life to a 25 acp either.

With practice and training there's very few people that can not master a 38, 380, or a 9mm. When it your life or the life of a loved that is on the line being armed with the means of defense is critical. Both practice and training are essential.


Wrong? In what way? Riddle me this . . . how many milliseconds does it take to pull a trigger twice? Get back to me when you've done your homework. grin


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Read my post again. Your answer is there.
Rim fires are the problem, they simply are not reliable enough to risk your life on it working EVERY TIME the trigger is pulled.
If you're in a life or death encounter a few milliseconds can make the difference.


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What I did for KYHillChick with her SP101 was do a reverse version of the ladder-- 5 rounds each reducing the load .2 grains at each step. When we got about halfway between a 357 Mag and a 38 SPL she said that was perfect. She and I both shoot 357 mag, but hers is just a tad lighter than my LCR load.

We were using 125 grain Hornady XTP's and Universal. Both loads ended up faster than a Fiocchi self-defense load in 38spl +P that I'd used as a benchmark. That load used XTP's as well.


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Go rent a 5.7. See if that recoils to much for her.

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Originally Posted by Triggernosis
How about a revolver in .22 Magnum?
Or better yet .32 H&R

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So many options, but some folks are either recoil sensitive in the extreme, don't have the hand strength, have arthritis, or something that keeps them from weilding a battle weapon. I myself don't much care for the 50 AE, ya know?

My wife enjoys to the Sig P238 in 380 ACP. Slide is soooo easy to rack.

I like the suggestion for 32 H&R. That would be a nice light round in even an alloy framed revolver. Other than Charter Arms I don't know who makes one.

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Originally Posted by drover
OP,

Pretty sure that what we have here is "a failure to communicate" - your wife is 72 has arthritis and is not small statured, you are trying to buy her what you think will work for her but that is not working out so well.

Let her try a 22 revolver - it is pull the trigger simple, keep pulling the trigger until it doesn't go bang anymore and then pull it a couple of more times. No recoil, intuitive and simple to operate - I don't know how this can be so hard.

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Actually my wife is of small statue. I think you’re confused - I never thought my LC9s 9mm nor my .380 LCP would work - and I was right. She didn’t like the recoil so convincing her a different model .380 still isn’t going to work. I do know my wife - she didn’t like my .32 Arminius revolver she shot years ago but loved my .22 Ruger MKII auto. I sold that one a few years otherwise she’d be keeping that one in the drawer.

My direction is still the Glock G44 .22 or the Walther PPQ .22 with CCI Stingers. Thanks for all the help.

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My Wife likes her Airweight Chief's Special, loaded with 148 Grain full wad cutter target ammo.

It's only doing a little over 700 FPS and has very light recoil.

She tried the S&W EZ and a half dozen other guns over the years, but this S&W is her favorite.

She is 69 years old, and has arthritic hands. We also had a trigger job on the Smith, to reduce the DA trigger pull.

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I have been a big advocate for the .22 on this thread. However y'all are bringing up the problem of misfires.
I must say, I haven't fired a .22 in several years. My brother brought over a Ruger 10/22 the other day and we ran 200 rounds through it.
My God we had about 15 misfires! What in the world? We thought there might be a problem with the rifle, but it looked like good firing pin strikes on all those duds.
Is .22 ammo that bad these days?
Isn't there one particular brand that is reliable?

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Originally Posted by tpcollins
Ain’t going to happen.

The Ruger LC9s 9mm kicked too much for her (I knew it would) and she had trouble with the loooong trigger pull on the LCP .380 - even with the Rossi trigger upgrade. Didn’t like the kick from the .380 either.

Looks like either the Glock G44 .22 caliber or the Walther PPQ .22 caliber. I might look at a .22 revolver but she’s already tested the trigger pull (no ammo) on the Glock. She still likes that one.

She’s concerned whether it will stop a perp - I told her with 10 shots + 1 in the chamber - to keep shooting until he’s on the ground. laugh




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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Not all rimfire ammo is the same.


If she likes the 22 stop trying to fit a square pg in a round hole. She's not going into battle. Get the 22 practice a lot and buy quality ammo. You'll know what jams and what doesnt, and you wont need some magazine article to tell you.


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Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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Lots of .22 LR talk. Why not the .22 Mag?

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