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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: jwall] #14584513 02/18/20
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270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


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.30-30 IMHO. Mine has been taking deer since 1951. It claimed an 8 pointer this year. You can certainly make a good argument for several other cartridges, though.


wilkes, I haven't touched a 30-30 since 1974.
It IS one of my nominated cartridges tho.


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I’ve got a buddy that shoots nice Arkansas bucks just outside Pine Bluff, with a .30-30 wink Maybe it’s time you give the ol .30-30 a try again. smile

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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: Jim in Idaho] #14584819 02/18/20
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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
.30-30. Made in America for the uniquely popular American lever action rifle. For decades the phrase "deer rifle" was synonymous in people's minds with a .30-30 lever action and mostly a Model 94.

Lots of others are "American" but I'd vote for the thutty-thutty as the Most American.


Yep. That and the 30-30. 45 Colt and 45 acp get honorary mentions.


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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: Brad] #14584951 02/18/20
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Originally Posted by Brad
270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


Brad got it right!!!

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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: wilkeshunter] #14585026 02/18/20
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Originally Posted by wilkeshunter
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.30-30 IMHO. Mine has been taking deer since 1951. It claimed an 8 pointer this year. You can certainly make a good argument for several other cartridges, though.


wilkes, I haven't touched a 30-30 since 1974.
It IS one of my nominated cartridges tho.


I’ve got a buddy that shoots nice Arkansas bucks just outside Pine Bluff, with a .30-30 wink Maybe it’s time you give the ol .30-30 a try again. smile


Man, I can't hear ya. grin

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Originally Posted by Brad
270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


YES, American NO Doubt:

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I'm not dismissing the 270, 250-3000, 300 Savage, et.al., et.al.

The 06 deserves high esteem for its Military beginning and usage PLUS it's hunting heritage.


the 270 does NOT have the World Wide recognition of the 30-06.

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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: jwall] #14585297 02/18/20
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Originally Posted by jwall
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Most American is very subjective. With that said on pure numbers alone it would be .22LR, 30-30, 30-06, 45 Colt, 12ga

But do pure numbers make it the most American?


IMO, no it's not the numbers. Obviously the 06 isn't AS popular as it WAS for DECADES.
I'd agree with whoever said the 308 is seeing more use today than the 06. What about 'collectively' over the years ? that's another question. However the 308 is @ 1/2 the age of the 06.

We have many American proprietary cartridges and I'm GLAD.

The 270 Win certainly IS American w/o Question.

Maybe it's my "maturity" whistle, aka age, but when asked or someone mentions 30-06 >>> WW I, WW II, Korea, etc. comes to MY mind.

AMERICAN? Yes Indeed.

Jerry


You are saying this like I disagree with you. Look at my list! I don't own a 30-30 or 06.

There is a little misunderstanding ‘somewhere’ ?
I was agreeing w/you as well.

Jerry


Fair enough. I guess I misread this.

Maybe it's my "maturity" whistle, aka age, but when asked or someone mentions 30-06 >>> WW I, WW II, Korea, etc. comes to MY mind.


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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: jwall] #14585381 02/19/20
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Most American as opposed to foreign or most American in terms of those that are or have been in use in America?

For the former I vote .30-30 and .45-70. Both have been in constant use for over 120 years with the .45-70 in use for over 140. And both are still popular.

For the latter I vote .22LR for first place and second place varies depending on the time frame - .30-06, .308 and .223/5.56 being the top candidates IMHO.


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.45 ACP should get an honorable mention.

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Originally Posted by jwall
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Traditional American, yes, 30/30 and 30.06

For modern America, it's the 5.56 and .308.

Go to the range today, everyone has an AR, or two, or twelve.


O K.

I’d bet there are MORE guys who have an 06 than an AR.
I have yet to know anyone personally who owns an AR anything.


also, it’s been 30 + yds since I saw anyone hunting a 30-30.


Jerry



Geez. Everybody seems to have an AR but me. Everybody I know that's still into guns either has one or did. And that's mostly what I see at the range.

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Originally Posted by Brad
270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


Yeah right. I watch Wild Boar Fever on the Outdoor Channel. Its European hunters and all the hunting is done in Europe and several of them use .270's.

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Originally Posted by elkrazy
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270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


Brad got it right!!!


You think so.

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moosemike, I don't own an AR and won't. They hold absolutely zero interest for me. I didn't care much for the M-16 in basic training and my opinion hasn't changed since '72.

The 270 does have a certain degree of popularity in Europe, especially Germany and the Scandinavian countries. Of American CF rifle cartridges, the 270 will always be my first choice to use. It's as American as one could ask for but, it still doesn't have the history of the '06 and 30 WCF. I'd kinda like to have an OLD Marlin or '94 in 30 WCF but I have zero desires for an '06 of any stripe. The cartridge has been so studied, researched and fired with so many different loads there's nothing left to learn about it. Anyone tell me what they know about the 8 X 65R Brenneke in a double rifle...…? I just acquired one and there is an entire rifle/cartridge combination of which precious little is known. Most have probably never heard of it or the cartridge for which the rifle was originally chambered, the 8 X 62R Vierordt.


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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: moosemike] #14585615 02/19/20
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Originally Posted by moosemike
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270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


Yeah right. I watch Wild Boar Fever on the Outdoor Channel. Its European hunters and all the hunting is done in Europe and several of them use .270's.



Mike -- I 'think' Brad was talking about the 277 bore BEING unknown WHEN produced. ? ?


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270 Win... a caliber unknown to the rest of the non-American world.

22 and 30 cal’s were available elsewhere in the world, not so the .277”


YES, American NO Doubt:

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I'm not dismissing the 270, 250-3000, 300 Savage, et.al., et.al.
The 06 deserves high esteem for its Military beginning and usage PLUS it's hunting heritage.

the 270 does NOT have the World Wide recognition of the 30-06.


Jerry

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the 270 does NOT have the World Wide recognition of the 30-06.

Jerry

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That right there is funny! laugh

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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: elkhunternm] #14585688 02/19/20
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Easy pal. really.

I am thinking of the World's exposure to the 06 -> WW I, WW II, Korea.
Plus the hunting exposure OF the 06 long before the 270 got the same.

Plus the 06 was in use before the 270 was produced.


** FOR ALL - I appreciate the 270s uniqueness and qualifications as much as anyone.
I've hunted the 270 FAR more than I have the 06.

That said, I have killed MANY Xs more critters with the 270 than the 06.


Sometimes we don't get to qualify ALL we are thinking AND we don't have space to write books HERE> grin.

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For a rifle cartridge I'll go with the 30-06 SPRG - it's both a great military and a great hunting cartridge.
For a handgun cartridge I'll go with the 45 ACP - it's battle proven and a terrific self-defense round.


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Re: The Most American Cartridge [Re: Jim in Idaho] #14585799 02/19/20
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Originally Posted by Jim in Idaho
.30-30. Made in America for the uniquely popular American lever action rifle. For decades the phrase "deer rifle" was synonymous in people's minds with a .30-30 lever action and mostly a Model 94.

Lots of others are "American" but I'd vote for the thutty-thutty as the Most American.



44-40, 06, 45 colt, 45-70 and 22lr all good choices. But in the end, it doesnt get any more american than a 30-30 model 94.

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Well my nomination would be the .30 WCF or/and the .45 ACP. As far as the .277" bore being unknown to the rest of the world, I think I remember Winchester swiped it from China. And the .30'03/1903 Springfield was brought about because the 7x57 in Mauser rifles that the Spanish used gave us a problem in Cuba against our .30-40 Krag. Fun reading, Carry on.

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