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From the NYT. Reading this confirms Trump is the right man right now. Thoughts and emphasis added.

What if Trump Wins? Europeans Fear a More Permanent Shift Against Them
What if Trump Wins? Europeans Fear a More Permanent Shift Against Them
MUNICH — There was a lot for diplomats and policymakers to consider when they gathered at a recent global security conference in Munich: China rising, Russia meddling, Germany weakening. But the inescapable question — the one that might change the world most immediately for Europe — was whether President Donald Trump would win reelection in November.

Rightly or wrongly, the consensus among European diplomats and analysts is that Trump is likely to get a second term. But there was also consensus that such an event would be a significant part of a drastic, and potentially permanent, shift in global affairs for which Europe remains woefully unprepared.

Trump’s reelection would mark a fundamental change, said François Heisbourg, a French analyst. “Eight years in political terms is an era, not an error. And it would undermine the reality of American democracy.”

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s admonishment to the Europeans to accept U.S. leadership and “reality” was met at the conference with stony silence. Traditional U.S. allies were far from assured that they would be able to depend on the United States in another Trump term.

Traditional allies meaning Germany and France, the center of European Globalism.

More than that, they sense the potential for a real parting of ways, given policy differences on issues as varied as climate change, Iran, trade and allowing Chinese company Huawei to build next-generation wireless networks.

Damn straight!

Many expect that divide would only widen if Trump remains in office.

Wolfgang Ischinger, director of the conference and a former German ambassador to Washington, noted Trump’s hostility to European allies, asking: “Why do we currently appear to live on different planets?”

Because you and your country want Globalism while people want to autonomy and nationalism.

A second term could leave Trump feeling ever freer and more empowered to pursue his every whim in global affairs, diplomats and analysts said.

We can only hope so

That could include what some consider to be the very real possibility of withdrawing the United States from the NATO alliance that has kept peace in Europe for more than 70 years.

Doubt it. NATO is the leverage vs. the UN, which is anti US

“Trust in the United States would be abysmally low, and his reelection would undermine the alliance in two ways,” Heisbourg said. “First, he doesn’t believe in alliances, but he is also very unpredictable. No one, including Trump, has any idea where he will take any of this, and the unpredictability increases the unreliability.”

Blather from a disgruntled German who is not getting his way. Trump is beating the Globalists as nationalism enjoys increasing popularity. Witness Brexit.

Many anticipate a collapse in the already eroding trust in U.S. leadership and credibility.

“Trump’s reelection would be deeply consequential,” said a senior European official, who asked not to be identified, fearing retribution on his country. “If the U.S. reelects him knowing everything about him, that will change things here.”

A second Trump term “will be more of the same and yet worse,” said Amanda Sloat, a former State Department official now at the Brookings Institution.

Trump has questioned the U.S. commitment to NATO. “That has been corrosive to the underlying trust among allies,” Sloat said. “That might be reversible after one term, but eight years of Trump would be deeply damaging.”

Europeans saw Trump’s election, by such a narrow margin, as “maybe a blip,” said Daniel S. Hamilton, a professor at the School of Advanced International Studies at Johns Hopkins.

“If Americans reelect him, it’s a strategic decision,” Hamilton said. “But it’s hard to know what the Europeans would actually do about it.”

Even though European officials generally agree that the change in global affairs could hurt them, how they can respond is another matter.

There is already widespread talk of European “strategic autonomy” and of the need to develop what the European Union’s foreign policy chief, Josep Borrell Fontelles, calls “an appetite for power.”

Europe talking big

A second Trump term “will be four more years of ‘America First,’ ” said Robin Niblett, director of international affairs think tank Chatham House. “Europe would realize more than before that it has to fend for itself.”

At the Munich conference, President Emmanuel Macron of France essentially pleaded for Europeans to see challenges like Russia and China with a European lens, not a trans-Atlantic one, and to do more to create a serious culture of security and self-reliance.



Even the German president, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, while criticizing his own country’s moral sanctimony, blasted Trump’s unilateralism as deeply damaging to the alliance.

So how has Germany helped the US to any appreciatble extent lately? Certainly, Merkel's dealings with Putin and the Baltic Pipeline are not only ill advised but will strengthen the Russian economy. How does a cash flush Russia help us, or anyone in Europe? Ukraine doesn't want it. Poland doesn't want it.

“‘Great again,’ even at the expense of neighbors and partners,” Steinmeier said, referring to the campaign slogan that propelled Trump to the presidency. “Thinking and acting this way hurts us all,” he said, adding that it produced “more mistrust, more armament, less security.”

Many expect the Europeans to heighten talk of independence but to have trouble creating a credible security alternative, and thus, in the end, they would find ways to get along with Trump — or get around him — rather than confront him openly.

“There are a lot of voices saying that ‘we have to do more for strategic autonomy,’ cloaked in emancipatory rhetoric,” Hamilton said. “But there’s no consensus on what their own interests are. They may do just enough to annoy the Americans, but not enough to be serious.”

Dmitri Trenin, director of the Carnegie Moscow Center, said that reelection “will enhance and consolidate the direction of U.S. foreign policy and make it impossible for a successor to change it in a big way.”

Those changes would affect the United States’ allies more than its enemies, he said. “Europe really has nowhere to go. It can’t stand on its own feet and won’t be a superpower, so it will have to accept the new terms Trump is laying down.”

Not everyone is unhappy at the prospect of more Trump. Central Europeans who have a history of occupation by the Soviet Union tend to be his strongest supporters.

But they, too, worry about Trump’s apparent ambivalence toward NATO and his seeming admiration of President Vladimir Putin of Russia.

If Trump completely alienates Europe, it could hurt the United States, too, said R. Nicholas Burns, a former senior U.S. official supporting Joe Biden for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“His belief that allies weaken the U.S., rather than strengthen it, is one of his greatest failings, while he will continue to embrace autocrats, rather than our true friends, like Macron and Merkel,” Burns said, referring to the leaders of France and Germany.

The danger “is that Europe might begin to see itself as a third pole in global politics between China and the U.S.,” he added. “That would be a major strategic loss for the U.S. in power and influence.”

Ivo Daalder, a former U.S. ambassador to NATO and president of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, noted that Europeans thought at first that they could wait out Trump.

“But if Trump is reelected,” Daalder said, “They won’t wait any more but will more openly reject him.”

Europeans, he said, might band together more effectively to try to balance the United States, as Macron is urging, or they might “choose another side,” moving closer to Moscow and Beijing, fearing loss of exports and instability in the Middle East.

That policy might suit France, Germany, Italy and Spain, he said, but it would add pressure on Trump’s backers in Central Europe.

European leadership remains weak and divided, noted Sophia Besch, an analyst in the Berlin office of the Center for European Reform. “We talk a lot about U.S. leadership but not enough about European leadership,” she said.

Claudia Major, a defense expert with the German Institute for International and Security Affairs, said that much will depend “on what kind of Europe Trump meets.” It could be a strengthened one or a divided one that would allow bigger powers to take control.

“There are so many European answers,” she said, “because there so many different countries and interests.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.



© 2020 The New York Times Company

GOOD! sadly it's going to take more than Trump to wake those cucked, apologist, idiots!

They should be!

They have reason to be fearful.President Trump represents an existential threat to their plans of controlling Europe from a remote and out of touch group of elites. When their EU dream fails so does their dream for an American Union.

The NWO,old man Bush's dream,then goes up in smoke. MAGA.

“Trump’s reelection would be deeply consequential,” said a senior European official, who asked not to be identified, fearing retribution on his country. “If the U.S. reelects him knowing everything about him, that will change things here.”

In other words, they fail to grasp the obvious and may be forced to swallow...

You said everything needed as a reply to that bloviating article. Our tits are going dry, and the big babies are crying. So fuggin sad...NOT!

New York Times anti-Trump? Who would have guessed?

If Macron and Merkel are upset then we're headed in the right direction.

*good commentary hatari

“Trust in the United States would be abysmally low, and his reelection would undermine the alliance in two ways,” Heisbourg said. “First, he doesn’t believe in alliances, but he is also very unpredictable. No one, including Trump, has any idea where he will take any of this, and the unpredictability increases the unreliability.”

BS. Trump is quite predictable. He is a nationalist MAGA.

The dumb people over there saw the rise of Hitler in Germany, saw what happened in Italy, and the Soviet Union. They let this happen to them.

Yep, it's a good clue.

Agreed...

Europe can't wean itself from Iranian money.

if destroying our nation by electing democrats is what it takes to save them, then to heck with them.

We have been taken for granted for too long anyway and have overpaid our share to protect them. In fact, they ought to be paying us to protect them instead of us paying our own money to do it.

Trump is battling the Dem's, some of the Repup's, the US media, global media, and Europe. And we're still gonna win.

That just tears them up that we won't listen them and do what's good for us.

The UK, Australia, Italy, Ukraine, The Five Eyes and others outside of the US, conspired to rig our Presidential Election in order to stop Donald J Trump from being elected. This was before they knew how devastating he would be to their Bull SChit Global Agenda and their New World Order.

Now that they know he is more dangerous to their NWO then they could have ever imagined, look for them to go All-Out in efforts to stop him. Stop him by any means possible.

President Trump is a crack in the dam. He does shift political momentum.

Reminds me of overly kind hearted folk that have educated themselves and worked their asses off for a lifetime, yet apologize for it all the way to their graves! i WILL NOT apologize to ANYONE for working my ass off and remaining lawful! some people are nuts Man!

Like the Mossad sending a guided missile at AF1 on Trumps first trip to Singapore?

Like a rouge C_A crew sending a missile from a US Navy submarine at AF1 on Trumps return from Singapore?

Remember the fake news headlines after Trump became POTUS? "China Hacks Navy Computers"