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Preferred total rifle weight.. #14591009 02/20/20 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 J jk16 OP Campfire Tracker OP jk16 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 I am curious as to exactly WHAT all up rifle weight you backpack hunters prefer. By "all up", I mean rifle plus scope ,mounts ,sling and /or bipod ,scope covers and full magazine of ammo. And in a caliber /rifle combo you can use confidently kill uo to elk sized game from piont blank out to 500 yards . I am after a WEIGHT- not rifle model or type ,catridge ,optics etc..but what weight you prefer to do the job in the back country. This should be "enlightening". Pardon the pun. Last edited by jk16; 02/20/20.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591038 02/20/20 Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt H handwerk Campfire Tracker handwerk Campfire Tracker H Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 6,377 N.E. Mn./ Mt A few oz. either side of 8 lbs. works for me.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591118 02/20/20 Joined: Aug 2017 Posts: 9,055 T TimberRunner Campfire Outfitter TimberRunner Campfire Outfitter T Joined: Aug 2017 Posts: 9,055 7.5-8 #. That's about 15# lighter than anything over 11#.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591468 02/20/20 Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 1,390 Texas T TX35W Campfire Regular TX35W Campfire Regular T Joined: Jan 2018 Posts: 1,390 Texas 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591528 02/20/20 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 689 Alaska D DeskJockey Campfire Regular DeskJockey Campfire Regular D Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 689 Alaska For general hunting 7.5 to 8 pounds it about perfect. Serious backpack hunting my rifle is a 308 win at under 6.5. I'm talking miles, elevation, and multiple days. No concerns for me with elk to 500...done it at 450.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591562 02/20/20 Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 5,495 Wind River Wyoming S szihn Campfire Tracker szihn Campfire Tracker S Joined: Dec 2016 Posts: 5,495 Wind River Wyoming I never really think about it when pack-hunting. I just carry what ever rifle I want to hunt with. Last season it was my Mauser in 9.3X62 and that rifle weighs 10 pounds and 2 oz loaded and with the sling on it. For summer trips not in bear country, when I am not hunting but want a rifle along inside the pack I like an AK47 with a side folding stock, or an AR15 taken apart. In grizzly country I don't put my rifle inside the pack. I carry it as if I was hunting. The rifle I have carried a lot for such summer trips is my old M1 Garand loaded with 220 grain RN bullets and loads with 3031 powder, so the port pressure is within spec for the M1.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. handwerk #14591609 02/21/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,098 Boise, Idaho I iddave Campfire Tracker iddave Campfire Tracker I Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,098 Boise, Idaho Originally Posted by handwerk A few oz. either side of 8 lbs. works for me. This If you're not burning through batteries in your headlamp,...you're doing it wrong.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591641 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 754 O Old_Crab Campfire Regular Old_Crab Campfire Regular O Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 754 I agree with around 8 lbs for a bolt action. That's a little heavy for those that prefer a light weight bolt action, but I hold the eight-pounders steadier. There is only one exception for me on a light rifle that works... A model 94 with a 20 inch barrel is a delight to shoot... because of the way it is balanced, I hold it very steady, even though it is very light. Long live the model 94! “Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.” --- Will Rogers

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591708 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 P prm Campfire Outfitter prm Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 6.0lbs. is my preferred mountain rifle. I have another that I’ll take on occasion that is 7.5 including sling (but not ammo). I’m willing to tolerate the weight for sentimental reasons only. But to your question, I prefer 6-6.5 including ammo.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591805 02/21/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Whatever a Kimber 84 or Nula weighs. Have little interest in shooting to 500 yards, although I also have little doubt they are capable. Last edited by battue; 02/21/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591850 02/21/20 Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,086 Adirondack Mountains N nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter nyrifleman Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 8,086 Adirondack Mountains Also prefer 7.5-8lb all up. “Factio democratica delenda est"

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591905 02/21/20 Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 8,593 Reno NV J Jackson_Handy Campfire Outfitter Jackson_Handy Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Apr 2018 Posts: 8,593 Reno NV Around 7.5lbs

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14591993 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Backpacking rifle (all-up): 6.50 - 7.25 lbs max with a weight forward bias. 6.75 lbs is around my ideal, again, with a weight-forward bias. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14592002 02/21/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Five lbs when carrying, 10 lbs when shooting. All joking aside, I end up right between 6.5-7 lbs with my "mountain rifles." No big magnums and no ultra lightweights. You didn't ask about caliber but I settled on the 280 Ackley for elk, with good 160 grain bullets. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14592129 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by smokepole Five lbs when carrying, 10 lbs when shooting. Ain't that the truth. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14592185 02/21/20 Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,475 NC - work / SC - play S ShortMagFan Campfire Tracker ShortMagFan Campfire Tracker S Joined: Jul 2009 Posts: 4,475 NC - work / SC - play I think most of you are underestimating the weight of slings and ammo

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. TX35W #14592241 02/21/20 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 69,307 Filer, ID Rock Chuck Campfire Kahuna Rock Chuck Campfire Kahuna Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 69,307 Filer, ID Originally Posted by TX35W 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry. Hunters do a lot more carrying than shooting. FWIW, Idaho regulations limit total rifle weight, including scope and all other attachments, to 16 lb. “In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” ― George Orwell It's not over when you lose. It's over when you quit.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. ShortMagFan #14592273 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by ShortMagFan I think most of you are underestimating the weight of slings and ammo Perhaps, but I don't guess when it comes to weights... but I wonder whether a couple of the posters here are not backpack hunters, but dayhike hunters? Uncle Mikes Mountain Sling weigh's 3.5 oz's. 4 rounds of .308 Win w/165 weigh's 3.5 oz's. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14592333 02/21/20 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism Ideally < 6.5#'s all-up. My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14592500 02/21/20 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 P prm Campfire Outfitter prm Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 My version of perfection for when the going gets steep and the air gets thin. Stainless synthetic 84M, 23” barrel just a little thicker than factory at .585” at the muzzle. 160gn bullet at 3050. But to the question of weight: I’ve hunted with this in a lighter configuration (factory barrel), and heavier when wearing an 3-10 SHV scope, or 3-9 SWFA SS. Where it is now is a nice Mtn hunting weight, and balance.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. ShortMagFan #14592828 02/21/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by ShortMagFan I think most of you are underestimating the weight of slings and ammo You have to take the platform into account. My lightest are both NULAs. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14593146 02/21/20 Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 9,380 las vegas, Nv. L lvmiker Campfire Outfitter lvmiker Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 9,380 las vegas, Nv. My ideal is 6#. My reality is 8# because I am a cheap phug. Prm, that is a sweet setup. mike r Last edited by lvmiker; 02/21/20. Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Rock Chuck #14593891 02/21/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana Originally Posted by Rock Chuck Originally Posted by TX35W 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry. Hunters do a lot more carrying than shooting. FWIW, Idaho regulations limit total rifle weight, including scope and all other attachments, to 16 lb. Idaho regulations limit total rifle weight, including scope and all other attachments, to 16 lb. And I wonder when the last time F&G weighted a rifle? Last edited by MontanaCreekHunter; 02/21/20. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14594128 02/21/20 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,219 West Slope of Colorado A alpinecrick Campfire Ranger alpinecrick Campfire Ranger A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,219 West Slope of Colorado Using your criteria of All Up, including 5 rounds for my L/A's,, Safari Sling, and Uncle Mikes scope covers, 7 lbs to 7 lbs 4 oz. I have had lighter rifles, and found there was a "threshold" where they did become more difficult to shoot accurately. That threshold can probably vary quite a bit for different people. Casey Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. ShortMagFan #14594152 02/21/20 Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,219 West Slope of Colorado A alpinecrick Campfire Ranger alpinecrick Campfire Ranger A Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 26,219 West Slope of Colorado Originally Posted by ShortMagFan I think most of you are underestimating the weight of slings and ammo For my 270's, 5 rounds, sling, and scope covers weigh 10.4 ozs. Casey Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively... Having said that, MAGA.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14594158 02/21/20 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,129 PNW R ribka Campfire Ranger ribka Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 24,129 PNW Im super happy right about 8 lbs with everything out to 700 yards but Im mostly a bow hunter Last edited by ribka; 02/21/20.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14596277 02/22/20 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 J jk16 OP Campfire Tracker OP jk16 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 Thanks for the replies so far , gents. They have been interesting.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14596380 02/22/20 Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,281 Northern USA P pete53 Campfire Outfitter pete53 Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 8,281 Northern USA i would think rifle weight is a individual thing size of person,how good a shape person is in and maybe how accurate of a rifle the person is confident with.maybe even how far away his shot would be could determine weight,cartridge used,size of scope,sling,stock shell boot,barrel size and length and if it has a bi-pod on rifle ? might then be 10 lbs. ? Last edited by pete53; 02/22/20. LIFE NRA , we vote Red up here, Norseman

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. prm #14596398 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by prm My version of perfection for when the going gets steep and the air gets thin. Stainless synthetic 84M, 23” barrel just a little thicker than factory at .585” at the muzzle. 160gn bullet at 3050. But to the question of weight: I’ve hunted with this in a lighter configuration (factory barrel), and heavier when wearing an 3-10 SHV scope, or 3-9 SWFA SS. Where it is now is a nice Mtn hunting weight, and balance. 338 Federal?? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14596447 02/22/20 Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,406 C Calvin Campfire Ranger Calvin Campfire Ranger C Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 23,406 8-8.5lbs these days. Good scopes/mounts ain’t light.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Calvin #14596550 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,198 Phoenix MikeS Campfire Regular MikeS Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,198 Phoenix 7.5 elk to 8.3 coues all up. Too close for irons, switching to scope...

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14596831 02/22/20 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 P prm Campfire Outfitter prm Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by prm My version of perfection for when the going gets steep and the air gets thin. Stainless synthetic 84M, 23” barrel just a little thicker than factory at .585” at the muzzle. 160gn bullet at 3050. But to the question of weight: I’ve hunted with this in a lighter configuration (factory barrel), and heavier when wearing an 3-10 SHV scope, or 3-9 SWFA SS. Where it is now is a nice Mtn hunting weight, and balance. 338 Federal?? Yes

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. pete53 #14596914 02/22/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by pete53 i would think rifle weight is a individual thing size of person,how good a shape person is in and maybe how accurate of a rifle the person is confident with.maybe even how far away his shot would be could determine weight,cartridge used,size of scope,sling,stock shell boot,barrel size and length and if it has a bi-pod on rifle ? might then be 10 lbs. ? Have you carried a 40-60 lb pack (not including the rifle weight), off-trail, in the Rocky Mountains? I’m betting not... “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597060 02/22/20 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,774 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,774 Wyoming Elmer Keith did and he agreed with 53.. Molon Labe

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. WyoCoyoteHunter #14597078 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado What was Elmer's preferred rifle weight for the mountains? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597104 02/22/20 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 P prm Campfire Outfitter prm Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 8,748 Did Elmer conclude that after comparing the Montana, NULA, and Fieldcraft to a 10lb Rifle? Oh wait...probably not.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. prm #14597118 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Elmer invented the NULA. When he was living in NOLA. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14597139 02/22/20 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,083 Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter Whttail_in_MT Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 10,083 Originally Posted by smokepole Elmer invented the NULA. When he was living in NOLA. Not to be confused with an EULA.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597167 02/22/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Elmer Keith... you’ve got to be kidding. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597283 02/22/20 Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,202 T_Inman Campfire Ranger T_Inman Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 20,202 I certainly prefer a 6 (ish) lb rifle when living out of backpack, but honestly haven't had too much issue with a 10 lb rifle on 3-4 day trips. 10 day trips have made me change my mind...

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597316 02/22/20 Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,774 Wyoming W WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger WyoCoyoteHunter Campfire Ranger W Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 17,774 Wyoming You clowns for get Elmer was tough as nails.. As an old man he could out do any of you jokers!!! Molon Labe

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. WyoCoyoteHunter #14597370 02/22/20 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 J jk16 OP Campfire Tracker OP jk16 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter Elmer Keith did and he agreed with 53.. Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter You clowns for get Elmer was tough as nails.. As an old man he could out do any of you jokers!!! This is a 21st century BACKPACK HUNTING FORUM. I like old Elmer as much as the next guy , but Elmer Keith never did modern style backpack hunting as we know it...He did not have to. He hunted off of pack horses most of the time. That is , when he was not shooting game off of his back porch..:) When you have a 1,000lb nag hauling your arse around in the mountains, you can afford to carry 20 pounds of large bore rifle and full leather scabbard ,which is EXACTLY what Keiith did. Last edited by jk16; 02/23/20.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. WyoCoyoteHunter #14597381 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by WyoCoyoteHunter You clowns for get Elmer was tough as nails.. As an old man he could out do any of you jokers!!! I didn't forget how tough he was, how could I forget, I never knew the man. How tough was he? John Wayne, now he was tough. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597477 02/22/20 Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 2,180 Alaska A AKPENDUDE Campfire Regular AKPENDUDE Campfire Regular A Joined: Mar 2017 Posts: 2,180 Alaska 8lbs is about the max for me, ~ 7lbs is about perfect.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14597479 02/22/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 I love how any thread on the backpack forum about firearms brings out non-backpackers to give their 2-cents. Too funny. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597506 02/22/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana It is very nice carrying a light rifle, it's very nice shooting a heavy rifle! There is a point somewhere different for all of us that is a sweet spot. 6lb is great to carry but shooting it is another story. 10lb is a great shooter but not so fun to carry. I don't care how big, bad, strong, great shot you think you are NOBODY shoots a light rifle as well as a heavy rifle. Just as nobody shoots a heavy hitter as well as a rifle with light recoil. I think for most the ideal is in the 7 to 8 pound range. I hike a lot and I can carry a little extra without a big strain on me. In the past I have carried some heavy rifles and looking back I realize for me anyways sub 9 pounds is were I want to be. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14597544 02/23/20 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,317 Anchorage, AK C cwh2 Campfire Tracker cwh2 Campfire Tracker C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,317 Anchorage, AK 6lbs is ideal for me. I dont shoot boomers and don't think I own a 9lb rifle.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14598080 02/23/20 Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 J jk16 OP Campfire Tracker OP jk16 Campfire Tracker J Joined: Jan 2014 Posts: 4,962 Originally Posted by Brad I love how any thread on the backpack forum about firearms brings out non-backpackers to give their 2-cents. Too funny. Ain't it great?

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14598698 02/23/20 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 14,298 Southern California G Greyghost Campfire Outfitter Greyghost Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 14,298 Southern California I'd worry more about size and ease of handling than weight. Phil

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Greyghost #14598753 02/23/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by Greyghost I'd worry more about size and ease of handling than weight. Phil "Would" worry about, or do worry about? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14598756 02/23/20 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 14,298 Southern California G Greyghost Campfire Outfitter Greyghost Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 14,298 Southern California I like heavy rifles, but wouldn't necessarily want to use one with a 30" barrel on an elk hunt. Phil

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14600104 02/23/20 Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,049 L LeftHunter Campfire Regular LeftHunter Campfire Regular L Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,049 I guess when I’m backpacking for a long period of time I’m mostly contemplating how I wish everything I had with me was lighter😂. So remembering that, a rifle that is light as possible and still muzzle heavy is my preferred rifle. My current long term ( actually living out of a backpack for 5 plus days) backpack rifle weighs 5 pounds 10 ounces. It’s a slightly lightened left hand Forbes 20b 7mm-08

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14600125 02/23/20 Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,197 Montana......NE Corner.. scenarshooter Campfire Tracker scenarshooter Campfire Tracker Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,197 Montana......NE Corner.. The older I get, the lighter they get. I'll be hunting this fall with a 7.5lb 6.5 PRC that's in the works right now. Luck....is the residue of design...

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. scenarshooter #14600162 02/23/20 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism B bigwhoop Campfire Ranger bigwhoop Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 22,735 Minnesocialism Originally Posted by scenarshooter The older I get, the lighter they get. I'll be hunting this fall with a 7.5lb 6.5 PRC that's in the works right now. Yes, not only that but less recoil too. My sheep hunts and a goat hunt in Alaska were very impressionable. You lived out of your pack and hoped to make it back to your spike camp. I now know why with those extreme mountain hunters weigh socks, cut their toothbrush in half and ration ammo. My home is the "sanctuary residence" for my firearms.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14608231 02/26/20 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,070 B BluMtn Campfire Regular BluMtn Campfire Regular B Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,070 You would have to ask my Sherpa. I have not heard him complain of it being to heavy yet. Last edited by BluMtn; 02/26/20. Writing from the gateway to the great BluMtns in southeastern Washington. Just remember, "You are the trailer park and I am the tornado". Beth Dutton, Yellowstone.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14608337 02/26/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Originally Posted by Brad I love how any thread on the backpack forum about firearms brings out non-backpackers to give their 2-cents. Too funny. I see your point, however I carried a rifle around for just under 70miles of day still hunting for 2 weeks this past season. Per the phone app. Mostly in the hands, not attached to a pack, and up, down and around Pa hills. So I think some of us non backpack people have some valid penny for your thoughts opinions. With that I'll say it is rare that a Nula or Kimber Montana is out of place.... Last edited by battue; 02/26/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14608492 02/26/20 Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2,221 Fl, Catskills and Down East Me... E eaglemountainman Campfire Regular eaglemountainman Campfire Regular E Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2,221 Fl, Catskills and Down East Me... I'm predominantly a northeast whitetail stillhunter/tracker, though I do hunt out west or Canada once a year. I'm not a backpack hunter, with all the wisdom and qualification that some apparently feel is a necessary requirement to be offering up opinions. I do use a day pack. Does that count? Mostly, I hunt from sun up to sun down with my rifle at the ready, in one position or another, all day long. I don't care who you are, that will take a toll on your arms day in and day out. After more than 40 years of carrying 9 lb+ rifles, these days, a 6 pound Montana or 6 3/4 pound Ruger 77RL, feels just about like heaven. And, non of the game I've taken was ever aware that I couldn't shoot such a light rifle. Hope I haven't triggered anybody with an old man's 2 cents. My heart's in the mountains, my heart is not here. My heart's in the mountains, chasing the deer.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. eaglemountainman #14608551 02/26/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Yes, the supposed difficulty factor of shooting LW rifles is another thing that makes me wonder. Hitting Big Game animals is not a bench rest competition, and you mostly have a basketball size target to connect with. Since I've started using the LW's, I've taken around 20-25 Deer and a Mountain Goat. One Deer at 358, a couple others at around 200 and the rest under 100. If I missed, the LW rifle had nothing to do with it..... Next we will be told about hitting the top of the hill, huffing and puffing and how a heavy rifle would have saved the day.....OK, good for you.... laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14608920 02/26/20 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana mtwarden Campfire Regular mtwarden Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana my modified Kimber Hunter in .308 weighs in under 6 lbs all in; the shorter barrel also makes a little handier in thick timber; I wouldn't take it to a match rifle event, but it shoots at MOA

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14608976 02/26/20 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,016 CA 8 805 Campfire Tracker 805 Campfire Tracker 8 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 4,016 CA I prefer a slightly heavier rifle also. Most of my rifles are close to 10lbs all up including bipod,ammo and sling.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14609131 02/26/20 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana My favorite mountain rifle, whether for backpacking or day hunts, is a NULA .30-06, which weighs 6.5-7 pounds depending on the scope used. (7 is with a Nightforce SHV 3-10x42.) Add another half pound for ammo and Mountain Sling. Back when I first started building and using lightweight rifles (which I define as 7 or under, scoped), experimented with how light I could go, and ended up with at least one NULA around 5.75. Killed quite a bit of game with it, but it was not as easy to shoot at longer ranges as the NULA .30-06, because the .30-06 has a 24" No. 1 contour Douglas barrel, which is pretty darn steady, especially when the SNV is used. Together they put the balance point noticeably farther forward than on many light rifles. “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Mule Deer #14609251 02/26/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado That's just about how my two NULAs are set up. Not the lightest barrel he offers but close to it and not the lightest scope I could put on either. I wasn't trying to get down to 5 1/2 lbs, but to use the scope I wanted and stay under 7 lbs., with a little better balance than an ultralight. It's good to know that great minds think alike! A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14610911 02/26/20 Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 920 Colorado starsky Campfire Regular starsky Campfire Regular Joined: Jul 2012 Posts: 920 Colorado Think mine run around 8-8.5 or so. Seems like a good balance of shootability and carry-ability.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. TX35W #14611207 02/27/20 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California Originally Posted by TX35W 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry. True that. Randy NRA Patriot Life Benefactor

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14611883 02/27/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana No one has mentioned balance. To me, forward heft really helps with steady holding. If most of the weight is in the butt stock, as with some pencil barreled rifles, I don't like it. I like a Hunters Edge, very light stock with the weight in the barrel. Now, if you guys were young studs like Don Jr. you'd be packing this kinda "mountain rifle". Seemed to work for him. Looks like he's a NF fan. Don't ya reckon that big ole gun weighs at least 15#'s...? DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dirtfarmer #14612273 02/27/20 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Jordan Smith Campfire Outfitter Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 14,483 Calgary, AB, Canada Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer No one has mentioned balance. To me, forward heft really helps with steady holding. If most of the weight is in the butt stock, as with some pencil barreled rifles, I don't like it. I like a Hunters Edge, very light stock with the weight in the barrel. Now, if you guys were young studs like Don Jr. you'd be packing this kinda "mountain rifle". Seemed to work for him. Looks like he's a NF fan. Don't ya reckon that big ole gun weighs at least 15#'s...? DF I reckon he probably had a sherpa.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Jordan Smith #14612445 02/27/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Probably. I'd hate to pack that big ole gun up and down those ridges... Bet it shot good once he got it there. DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dirtfarmer #14612806 02/27/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer No one has mentioned balance. I did... Originally Posted by Brad Backpacking rifle (all-up): 6.50 - 7.25 lbs max with a weight forward bias. 6.75 lbs is around my ideal, again, with a weight-forward bias. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. TX35W #14613406 02/27/20 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,886 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,886 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by TX35W 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry. Agree. Except I don’t have any trouble shooting lightweights. My 280 AI comes in under 7 lbs & my heaviest at 8.5 lbs. That one is a 7 Wby so a bit heavy is fine. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Reloder28 #14613529 02/27/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana Originally Posted by Reloder28 Originally Posted by TX35W 8 lbs give or take. Lighter is harder to shoot. Heavier is harder to carry. Agree. Except I don’t have any trouble shooting lightweights. My 280 AI comes in under 7 lbs & my heaviest at 8.5 lbs. That one is a 7 Wby so a bit heavy is fine. It isn't a matter of having a problem shooting a lightweight. Fact is everyone shoots a heavier gun better. If they didn't you wouldn't see guys shooting heavy rifles in matches. Last edited by MontanaCreekHunter; 02/27/20. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dirtfarmer #14613558 02/27/20 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14613688 02/27/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer No one has mentioned balance. I did... Originally Posted by Brad Backpacking rifle (all-up): 6.50 - 7.25 lbs max with a weight forward bias. 6.75 lbs is around my ideal, again, with a weight-forward bias. Whoops! Thought I’d read everything. Great minds?? Ha! DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Mule Deer #14613708 02/27/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Mule Deer DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? Missed yours and Brad’s. Must be slipping. Happens when one reaches senior status. Ha! DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14613746 02/27/20 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State roundoak Campfire Outfitter roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State It is apparent in this thread, that if there was no pic, it didn't happen. Ruger 77 7x57 "all up" 8.47 pounds. The second part of killing an elk at 500 yards with it, not me but maybe somebody could. Last edited by roundoak; 02/27/20. You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. roundoak #14613779 02/27/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by roundoak It is apparent that if there was no pic, it didn't happen. True dat! I solo backpack hunt, so nothing more than dead critter shots. 8lb rifles need not apply “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dirtfarmer #14613781 02/27/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Mule Deer DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? Missed yours and Brad’s. Must be slipping. Happens when one reaches senior status. Ha! DF When does this “senior” thing you speak of happen? “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14613806 02/27/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Mule Deer DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? Missed yours and Brad’s. Must be slipping. Happens when one reaches senior status. Ha! DF When does this “senior” thing you speak of happen? Gradually. Then one day...! You realize. You’re an old fart. 🙈 DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dirtfarmer #14613819 02/27/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Mule Deer DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? Missed yours and Brad’s. Must be slipping. Happens when one reaches senior status. Ha! DF When does this “senior” thing you speak of happen? Gradually. Then one day...! You realize. You’re an old fart. 🙈 DF I’ll be 59 in June... guessing I’m not a senior yet “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14613830 02/27/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Not exactly day-hiking... “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14613881 02/27/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Some here are firm believers that if you have a problem carrying a heavy rifle, then losing 10 pounds off of your waist is the best answer. Haven't seen any pics of you lately, but last I remember you didn't have 10 pounds on your waist to lose. Sooooo, maybe you should think about shooting smaller Bulls, which would knock more than 10 pounds off rather quickly. Then you could carry a heavier rifle, that will allow you to shoot better, which will allow you to kill them deader than those in the pics. Us day-hikers are up on the logistics of rifle weight.... Last edited by battue; 02/27/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14613919 02/27/20 Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State roundoak Campfire Outfitter roundoak Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 10,653 Badger State Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by roundoak It is apparent that if there was no pic, it didn't happen. True dat! I solo backpack hunt, so nothing more than dead critter shots. 8lb rifles need not apply My rifle is 8.47 # all up, so I don't meet your criteria, but the trade off is I have a camera man along. You're Welcome At My Fire Anytime

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14614145 02/27/20 Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 202 MT A AK4570 Campfire Member AK4570 Campfire Member A Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 202 MT A few ounces north of 6lb for the Kimber 308 and a few ounces north of 8lb for the semi-custom 300WM loaded, scoped, slung, and ready to hunt... That’s all I’m volunteering to carry these days. V/r, John

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. roundoak #14614667 02/28/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by roundoak My rifle is 8.47 # all up, so I don't meet your criteria, but the trade off is I have a camera man along. You look younger and stronger than me, so I must confess my love of sub 7lb rifles is because of my advanced age and paltry strength Good job roundoak! “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. battue #14614674 02/28/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by battue Some here are firm believers that if you have a problem carrying a heavy rifle, then losing 10 pounds off of your waist is the best answer. Haven't seen any pics of you lately, but last I remember you didn't have 10 pounds on your waist to lose. Sooooo, maybe you should think about shooting smaller Bulls, which would knock more than 10 pounds off rather quickly. Then you could carry a heavier rifle, that will allow you to shoot better, which will allow you to kill them deader than those in the pics. Us day-hikers are up on the logistics of rifle weight.... Thanks Battue, that gave me a chuckle. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14614960 02/28/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by Dirtfarmer Originally Posted by Mule Deer DF, "Nobody has mentioned balance." Did you read my post? Missed yours and Brad’s. Must be slipping. Happens when one reaches senior status. Ha! DF When does this “senior” thing you speak of happen? Gradually. Then one day...! You realize. You’re an old fart. 🙈 DF I’ll be 59 in June... guessing I’m not a senior yet Not a senior, yet. It will happen. DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14629434 03/03/20 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,170 Northern California Good thread. Thanks men. My 30-06 is at 7lb - 2oz I have a 308 that weighs less. Always great being in the woods hunting and enjoying the peace it brings. Randy NRA Patriot Life Benefactor

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14633105 03/05/20 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas OOPS !, I didn't know I was IN the Backpack Hunting forum !!! I thot I clicked on the "Elk Hunting" forum. I've been doing DAY pack hunting ONLY since 2012..... AM I Close ? Sorry Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by ShortMagFan I think most of you are underestimating the weight of slings and ammo Uncle Mikes Mountain Sling weigh's 3.5 oz's. 4 rounds of .308 Win w/165 weigh's 3.5 oz's. First, All Up means and includes ALL that's ON & IN the rifle. Gun, scope, mounts/rings, ammo, sling, etc. Brad, I haven't seen a U M Mountain Sling but the ONLY slingS I've used for years are Uncle Mike's Nylon. I have 2 that I've used for longer than I can remember. They're indestructible to me. This is the oldest pic I have on imgur. 2012 OR 2013 I have a couple of nice Leather slings - in a drawer of my dresser. The nylons are light and QUICK adjustable. I have HUNTED those 2 slings ONLY since the 80s. *************** My preferred 'total' rifle weight is 7 - 8 lbs. ALL UP. My Black Shadow, 300 WM weighs 8 +, HOWEVER the weight distribution makes it feel LIGHTER. I really was surprised when I put it ON a scale. Jerry Last edited by jwall; 03/05/20. jwall- *** 3100 guy*** A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14633204 03/05/20 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,957 Eagle River Alaska K kk alaska Campfire Outfitter kk alaska Campfire Outfitter K Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 7,957 Eagle River Alaska Around or under 7# and balanced like a NULA or Forbes kk alaska Alaska 7 months of winter then 5 months of tourists

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. kk alaska #14633529 03/05/20 Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 3,708 Bark River,Michigan S stevevan1 Campfire Tracker stevevan1 Campfire Tracker S Joined: Nov 2017 Posts: 3,708 Bark River,Michigan 7.5 - 8lbs. Anything lighter is impossible to shoot well.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. stevevan1 #14633669 03/05/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado No it's not. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14633700 03/05/20 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,369 Virginia D Dogger Campfire Regular Dogger Campfire Regular D Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,369 Virginia i love these threads, because they always talk me out of buying another rifle i really don't need... the discussion about weight forward and the 24" Douglas #1 on a NULA convinces me i really don't need the 20" pencil barreled Ruger ltwt M77 tanger I have been eyeing... that 338 Federal is intriguing...

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14633752 03/05/20 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,845 Big Sky Country TheBigSky Campfire Outfitter TheBigSky Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,845 Big Sky Country I must be the only backpacker/backpack hunter who doesn't have (more correctly, doesn't use) a scale. I simply know, by holding them, which of my hunting items (guns, packs, bags, etc.) weighs more than others and choose accordingly. Last edited by TheBigSky; 03/05/20. _________________________________________________________________________ “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14634434 03/05/20 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,317 Anchorage, AK C cwh2 Campfire Tracker cwh2 Campfire Tracker C Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,317 Anchorage, AK I just don't buy heavy stuff. Rarely weigh anything, sometimes a loaded pack, but its really too late to do anything about it at that point.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. stevevan1 #14634655 03/05/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Originally Posted by stevevan1 7.5 - 8lbs. Anything lighter is impossible to shoot well. You should discuss that opinion with some who shoot Nula, Kimber, Fieldcraft, Forbes, etc and see what they think.... laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14634912 03/05/20 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,369 Virginia D Dogger Campfire Regular Dogger Campfire Regular D Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,369 Virginia within reason, my experience is that being in good physical shape is more important than the weight of kit, provided the weight of kit is within reason.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Dogger #14635189 03/05/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado This is true, but I've never been on a backpack hunt where I didn't wish my pack was a little lighter. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14635227 03/06/20 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 2,058 Western WY S SnowyMountaineer Campfire Regular SnowyMountaineer Campfire Regular S Joined: May 2007 Posts: 2,058 Western WY More than 7.5, less than 9.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14635483 03/06/20 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas I'd like to address something already mentioned EARLIER in this thread. Some ? think having 10-20 lbs of FAT is worse than carrying a 10 lb. rifle. ??? I'm 5' 10" and 180 +/- lbs. Up until 1981 I was up to 240 # !! I hunted hills in Ark, Miss, & Al as much as I wanted, as long as I wanted. POINT ! Carrying a 9 lb. rifle in Hand & Arms is noticeably different from being 'overweight; !! Your body weight is 'carried' on your LEGS which have MUCH more muscle mass than you have in your ARMS. Somewhere about 1981 (?), simple coincidence to being overweight, -- I got onto a 'light' rifle kick. They just FEEL better to me. I don't remember which came first -- the Ruger 77 UL, 20" bll, --> OR the WW 70 FTWT....... BUT those rifles pushed me over the hill against heavy rifles. I had a gorgeous S&W 1500 (Howa) in 270 Win. it shot very well and looked fantastic. I got rid of it because it was HEAVY. I didn't have a scale to weigh it on but all I had to do was pick it up and ugggh. *This pic is after 1981 * That is the only pic I have of it when I had it. I sold it to a hunting pard and he STILL has it and sent me a few pix last year. I still love the stock today but I would NOT hunt it now because I CARRY my rifle on Day Pack hunts - NO stands, Still Hunt only. The longer you carry a heavy rifle the heavier it gets. TO ME > YMMV Jerry jwall- *** 3100 guy*** A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. scenarshooter #14635882 03/06/20 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,396 Helena, MT J JGray Campfire Tracker JGray Campfire Tracker J Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 4,396 Helena, MT Originally Posted by scenarshooter The older I get, the lighter they get. I'll be hunting this fall with a 7.5lb 6.5 PRC that's in the works right now. This - I haven't done much backpack hunting in recent years but used to a fair amount. When I did, rifles were likely +\- 9 lbs all up - today, I wouldn't consider anything but my Fieldcraft at under 7 lbs all up...

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. JGray #14637330 03/06/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Well, don't let it get any lighter than 7.5 lbs. Anything lighter than that is impossible to shoot well. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14637341 03/06/20 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana mtwarden Campfire Regular mtwarden Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana Originally Posted by smokepole Well, don't let it get any lighter than 7.5 lbs. Anything lighter than that is impossible to shoot well. this is sooooo true, my sub 6 lb rifle shoots like crap

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. mtwarden #14639087 03/07/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Yep, I see what you mean. That one shot completely missed the circle, I'd send it back. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14639567 03/07/20 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 R RinB Campfire Tracker RinB Campfire Tracker R Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,491 I have used at least 6 rifles that were under 6.5# w/o shells or sling. It isn’t difficult to learn to shoot them well if you practice with nothing lighter AND accept that as weight decreases the need for a really great trigger increases. “Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away”. Antoine de Saint-Exupery. Posted by Brad.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. RinB #14639610 03/07/20 Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana D Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana Dirtfarmer Campfire 'Bwana D Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 37,075 Central Louisiana Originally Posted by RinB I have used at least 6 rifles that were under 6.5# w/o shells or sling. It isn’t difficult to learn to shoot them well if you practice with nothing lighter AND accept that as weight decreases the need for a really great trigger increases. Agree with better triggers on lighter rifles I have a really handy packing rifle I use for hogs. It’s a Rem 7 with light, fast twist Brux in 22-204, shooting 75 SSII’s. The Jewell trigger, set light helps it perform. This bullet, pushed nearly 3K fps over Varget, is a real hog killer. DF

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14640527 03/07/20 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A J JWP58 Campfire Regular JWP58 Campfire Regular J Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A I wouldn't shoot a kimber simply because it's a busse gun. I say no to commies. Anything under 8lbs would work for me (see tikka superlite w/ a fixed phuuucker 6x).

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. JWP58 #14644889 03/09/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by JWP58 I wouldn't shoot a kimber simply because it's a busse gun. I say no to commies. Anything under 8lbs would work for me (see tikka superlite w/ a fixed phuuucker 6x). What is a "busse gun?" A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14645164 03/09/20 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana mtwarden Campfire Regular mtwarden Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by JWP58 I wouldn't shoot a kimber simply because it's a busse gun. I say no to commies. Anything under 8lbs would work for me (see tikka superlite w/ a fixed phuuucker 6x). What is a "busse gun?"

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14645656 03/09/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by smokepole Originally Posted by JWP58 I wouldn't shoot a kimber simply because it's a busse gun. I say no to commies. Anything under 8lbs would work for me (see tikka superlite w/ a fixed phuuucker 6x). What is a "busse gun?" “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. mtwarden #14645749 03/09/20 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas J jwall Campfire Ranger jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas Originally Posted by mtwarden [quote=smokepole] What is a "busse gun?" ------------------------------------ He can 'act' psycho a little TOO EASY, imo. "They're gonna put me in the movies... all I gotta do is act naturally ." I like him anyway. "Under Siege" is a terrific move. T L Jones is multi talented when it comes to acting. Jerry jwall- *** 3100 guy*** A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14646750 03/09/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana I thought he was referring to the German Nazi General. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. MontanaCreekHunter #14647228 03/09/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Could be. How does that translate to Kimbers though? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14648770 03/10/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana Originally Posted by smokepole Could be. How does that translate to Kimbers though? I don't know and that is why I was scratching me head! Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14649046 03/10/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 The guy is apparently some sort of conspiracy fruitcake... “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14649174 03/10/20 Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 867 Port Severn ont. Canada G GWPGUY Campfire Regular GWPGUY Campfire Regular G Joined: Feb 2018 Posts: 867 Port Severn ont. Canada Evnin, if we can't shoot light weight rifles how come we can shoot 22 rim fires so well????? No we're not shooting them at 500yds, but big BUT,!!! Just a thought. Bill out, 🐾👣🇨🇦

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14649200 03/10/20 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A J JWP58 Campfire Regular JWP58 Campfire Regular J Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A Originally Posted by Brad The guy is apparently some sort of conspiracy fruitcake... Apparently joking around is forbidden.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. JWP58 #14649537 03/10/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by JWP58 Originally Posted by Brad The guy is apparently some sort of conspiracy fruitcake... Apparently joking around is forbidden. "Jokes" generally should make sense... yours is not a joke. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Brad #14650519 03/10/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana Originally Posted by Brad Originally Posted by JWP58 Originally Posted by Brad The guy is apparently some sort of conspiracy fruitcake... Apparently joking around is forbidden. "Jokes" generally should make sense... yours is not a joke. It sure didn't make sense! If you have to explain it, it isn't funny. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. MontanaCreekHunter #14650791 03/11/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado I don't know, mtwarden did OK with the Gary pic. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14650872 03/11/20 Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Brad Campfire 'Bwana Brad Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Oct 2000 Posts: 30,265 Originally Posted by smokepole I don't know, mtwarden did OK with the Gary pic. True dat. “Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14650873 03/11/20 Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana M MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,354 Florence, Montana Originally Posted by smokepole I don't know, mtwarden did OK with the Gary pic. Yes that was funny. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14650897 03/11/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado But I'm pretty sure Tiny Elvis is the brains of that outfit. That dawg has it made. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14651232 03/11/20 Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana mtwarden Campfire Regular mtwarden Campfire Regular Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 2,654 Montana Originally Posted by smokepole But I'm pretty sure Tiny Elvis is the brains of that outfit. That dawg has it made. oh yeah, for sure!

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14655975 03/12/20 Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A J JWP58 Campfire Regular JWP58 Campfire Regular J Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 574 N/A Originally Posted by smokepole I don't know, mtwarden did OK with the Gary pic. Yes sgt slaughter (black sheep) was good. (And it was an inside joke for all you "backcountry" guys) Last edited by JWP58; 03/12/20.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. JWP58 #14656087 03/12/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Originally Posted by JWP58 Apparently joking around is forbidden. Forum rules: Not forbidden, however all joking around must first be cleared with Smokepole. Failure to do so will result in not being allowed to post in the workout thread. Which is why I can seldom post my monster routines. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14656238 03/12/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Joking around doesn't need to be approved by me. Case in point, you post in the optics forum all the time without asking. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14656298 03/12/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Well, you shoot lightweight rifles, and have been told they can’t be shot accurately. What do you know about optics? Last edited by battue; 03/12/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14656909 03/12/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado I know the most popular binoculars for the neighbor women who watch me mow the lawn with my shirt off. And those gals know quality when they see it. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. JWP58 #14657057 03/12/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Originally Posted by JWP58 Originally Posted by smokepole I don't know, mtwarden did OK with the Gary pic. Yes sgt slaughter (black sheep) was good. (And it was an inside joke for all you "backcountry" guys) Jeez, no wonder nobody got it. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14657367 03/12/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh Originally Posted by smokepole I know the most popular binoculars for the neighbor women who watch me mow the lawn with my shirt off. And those gals know quality when they see it. Lay off those the old Paul Newman movies. I bet you also have on real small shorts and wear those old school knee high white tube socks. Doesn’t surprise me, girls have a sense of humor also. Well some.... laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. battue #14657413 03/12/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Paul Newman? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. smokepole #14658088 03/13/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh OK OK, for once let's get at least a little serious....You didn't deny it, so you were wearing those old school tube socks...Some of my friends have shown me pics of their Dads back in the day wearing them. Kinda cool, for the times.... laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14658350 03/13/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado Last time I wore tube socks was the high school freshman basketball team. Sheesh, even by JV we'd moved on. We did have the short shorts though, everyone did. Chicks loved 'em. But seriously, Paul Newman? The 70's called, they want their movies back. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14658947 03/13/20 Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,553 People's Republic of New Jerse... J Jerseyboy Campfire Regular Jerseyboy Campfire Regular J Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,553 People's Republic of New Jerse... Most of my big game hunting happens here in the Northeast, where rifle weight isn't much of an issue. I'm in a stand or blind. I have hunted Colorado three times, twice when I was in my early to mid 40s, and in 2018, at age 72, as a cardiac bypass survivor. Back when I was young, I carried four different rifles. The lightest was a Remington 700 in 300 Winchester Magnum at 8 lbs, and the others were heavier - around 10 lbs on my shoulder. I didn't find that to be much of a hindrance at the time, including twice hiking to above treeline with a 10 lb 300 Weatherby rifle. In 2018 I carried a post-64 Winchester Model 70 30-06 which weighed 8-1/2 lbs along with a large backpack. I walked a lot slower than I did in the 1990s! I'm not a fan of superlight rifles. I have shot a New Ultralight Arms 30-06 some, and it kicked too much for me at 7 lbs all up. If I had to pick a light mountain rifle from my safe today, I would pick a beater Savage Axis 308 which shoots 175 grain Barnes LRX bullets under MOA. With its current scope, a 4x Leupold, it weighs 7 lbs 1 ounce. Recoil is tolerable. For here in the Northeast, I choose my Remington Model Seven in 7mm-08, which weighs about the same as the Axis, but it about 5" shorter with its 18-1/2" barrel. Age and infirmity do change things..... NRA Endowment Life Member, G.O.A supporter

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14660707 03/13/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado 74?? Are you one of the original Jersey Boys?? Frankie?? A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. Jerseyboy #14677202 03/18/20 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,845 Big Sky Country TheBigSky Campfire Outfitter TheBigSky Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,845 Big Sky Country Originally Posted by Jerseyboy Back when I was young, I carried four different rifles. The lightest was a Remington 700 in 300 Winchester Magnum at 8 lbs, and the others were heavier - around 10 lbs on my shoulder. I didn't find that to be much of a hindrance at the time, including twice hiking to above treeline with a 10 lb 300 Weatherby rifle.. You, my friend, are my hero. That's anywhere from 35 to 40 pounds of rifles. I'm too much of a wimp and only carry one rifle. _________________________________________________________________________ “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. TheBigSky #14678216 03/18/20 Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana M Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,080 Banana Belt, Montana ^^^^^^^ Yep, me too! “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. TheBigSky #14678309 03/18/20 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,898 Missouri 1 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 10gaugemag Campfire Ranger 1 Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 18,898 Missouri Originally Posted by TheBigSky Originally Posted by Jerseyboy Back when I was young, I carried four different rifles. The lightest was a Remington 700 in 300 Winchester Magnum at 8 lbs, and the others were heavier - around 10 lbs on my shoulder. I didn't find that to be much of a hindrance at the time, including twice hiking to above treeline with a 10 lb 300 Weatherby rifle.. You, my friend, are my hero. That's anywhere from 35 to 40 pounds of rifles. I'm too much of a wimp and only carry one rifle. No schit. One time when we were 18-20 a bud and I each packed a Browning BPS 10 gauge and a centerfire rifle of some sort calling. We walked down into the creek bottoms about a mile from his house in 6-8" of snow. Once we made a few set ups and had to head back to the house we said never again. We then decided one would have a shotgun and the other a rifle, no need for 4 guns. I can honestly say we stuck to that even when just hunting a couple hundred yards from the truck. Too much like work lugging 20# of guns. The last time that bear ate a lawyer he had the runs for 33 days!

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14682507 03/19/20 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado S smokepole Campfire 'Bwana smokepole Campfire 'Bwana S Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 46,022 Colorado I can top these stories about lugging unnecessary weight. Before I got into backpacking a friend and I went on a backpack trip in the Pecos wilderness in NM. We had no equipment, so we borrowed a couple of packs and went to Walmart to outfit ourselves. Bought a couple of 8-lb. sleeping bags and a big old heavy tarp. Packed in (I sh*t you not) an iron skillet and canned food. I can't remember the other stuff (this was 1983), the iron skillet was memorable but I know the rest of our stuff weighed a metric ton. We hiked up the mountain to around 10k and it just kicked our asses. On the way up, an older couple in their 60's passed us, they looked thoroughly squared away and that was humbling. We did have fun though, caught some trout on dry flies in Stewart Lake IIRC. A wise man is frequently humbled.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14711895 03/27/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh B battue Campfire Ranger battue Campfire Ranger B Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,808 outside the burgh To keep this interesting topic going.... The heavier rifle crowd says they can't shoot a Light Weight accurately enough.....So for those who can and do use the LW's.... at what ranges do you think LW rifles become a liability in cleanly killing big game....????? Personally I've gone out to the 350yard range with a Nula a couple times and 200 plus a couple more....and for the most part for myself that is far enough..... Last edited by battue; 03/27/20. laissez les bons temps rouler

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14712068 03/27/20 Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 956 B.C. M mod7rem Campfire Regular mod7rem Campfire Regular M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 956 B.C. For a lot of years the only rifle I used was a heavily skeletized Remington model 7 action with a 22” fluted barrel and wildcat composite stock. The total weight with talleys and 6x36 Leupold was 5.6 lbs. It was plenty accurate enough to kill stuff with and I shot lots of animals including deer, stone sheep, goats, caribou, elk. My son has the rifle now, but it has a different barrel (6.5CM) and a 6x42 Leupold on it. I think the total weight is 6lbs now. I still prefer lightweight rifles but I’ve grown to really like heavy scopes. I have a couple Kimber Montana’s and one Model seven that isn’t as machined as the original. Now the total weights are in the 7lb range and it still feels like a nice packable rifle package. Last edited by mod7rem; 03/27/20.

Re: Preferred total rifle weight.. jk16 #14729824 03/31/20 Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 371 Alberta, Canada N Nashville Campfire Member Nashville Campfire Member N Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 371 Alberta, Canada My current pack rifle is about 5lbs 2oz all in. .308 adirondack with a swaro z3 sitting in talleys. Of course its had a few other little mods to shave weight as well. The balance is well forward. I see no need for a sling when hunting with a pack and stopped using them altogether about 3/4 years ago. If I ever need one in an emergency I will use a spare boot lace. Zeroed for 200yds the first holdover is bang on at 300yds. I haven’t shot further than that with it yet. As has been stated already, light rifles are harder to shoot consistently and so practise is key. Recoil is definitely stout at the bench but unnoticed in the field. As a solo pack hunter I weigh every item physically and mentally, that enters my pack as I still have to plan for a downed animal on top of what I head in with. Outside of pack hunting, my go to is a Mountain ascent 280ai weighing in around 7lbs Pitter Patter!