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I think you have to look at it this way. It always comes down to swing voters in swing states. I would guess that fewer than 5% of the voters are true swing voters. That's less than 5% of the voters in just 20% of the states. If the Dems offer up a Socialist, I don't see them pulling any of those swing voters. Swing voters prefer moderates and Trump is far more moderate than any of Socialists. Barring an unexpected economic collapse, every one of those swing voters will acknowledge that they are better off than they were during the last election. When it comes right down to it, people vote with their wallets.

I think you might be right but I don’t think ol’Bern is going to be robbed this time around. If it’s taken from him he’ll run 3rd party and split the democrats. He’ll go scorched earth on the democrat establishment.

I think you might be right but I don’t think ol’Bern is going to be robbed this time around. If it’s taken from him he’ll run 3rd party and split the democrats. He’ll go scorched earth on the democrat establishment.

I really believe Trump will be reelected.........and we're all screwed if he's not. But, I also do not go along with all this stuff about how the Blacks won't vote for the queer Buttgigger, or how the Cubans won't vote for Bernie. Republicans are very well known for staying at home and not voting for a candidate that they don't like..........remember McCain and Romney. On the other hand, Democrats will gladly hold their noses and vote the party line, because they believe in putting their candidate in office, even if that person does not reflect their ideals.

I also believe the term "swing voter" is something of a misnomer, as they are mostly GOP voters of the type that won't vote for a candidate they don't like............again, remembering McCain and Romney and all the Republican voters that didn't like neither one. All one has to remember is 2016, and how close the election was, and how the Democrat nominee was a woman that wasn't well liked at all.

Not saying a fractured Democrat Party doesn't happen, because it would be the best thing to happen to America if it did, and we can always hope. Instead, I'm just saying don't get your hopes up.

HRC Clinton is not going to ride to save them at the convention. She's a 2 time loser. She lost a "sure thing" vs. Trump in 2016. She's older, drunker and more sickly. Nobody liked her outside the lesbian carpet munchers in 2008 or 20016. Sit back and enjoy the show.

[lose race in the Electoral, popular or both?

I don't think she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting elected either, but I think there's enough Old Guard Dems working the back rooms who believe in her as their only hope that they will hand her the nomination. I said in 2016 that I believed her health was really bad, and I have no reason to expect it to have improved.

Don't be such a pessimist. Ever hear the notion that if your enemy is trying hard to self destruct, don't interfere? The Dems are doing their damnedest to rip their Party apart. Enjoy the show!

Do you think that that the Dems can keep all 35 House seats they won in Districts that voted for Trump in 2016? Think about that. The Trump base is fired up after this impeachment fiasco and will go and vote. The Dems are likely to be disheartened because at best they have a candidate that 2/3 of them really didn't want, no matter who it is. That's a big reason for them to stay home.

HRC Clinton is not going to ride to save them at the convention. She's a 2 time loser. She lost a "sure thing" vs. Trump in 2016. She's older, drunker and more sickly. Nobody liked her outside the lesbian carpet munchers in 2008 or 20016. Sit back and enjoy the show.

Don't be such a pessimist. Ever hear the notion that if your enemy is trying hard to self destruct, don't interfere? The Dems are doing their damnedest to rip their Party apart. Enjoy the show.

Hatari, I don't think I'm being a pessimist, although it may seem that way. There is no one, more than me, that would enjoy seeing the Democrat Party fall so far, that it would never be relevant again in. The Democrat Party that those of us who live south of the Mason-Dixon line once knew, has not existed in close to 50 years.......at least those of us willing to admit it. The Democrat Party of today is just like the Republican Party of Lincoln was......socialist to the core, with some more than others, and willing to do anything to gain power, including making war on it's own people.

But, I've also seen the Democrats have knock down drag out battles in the primary elections, only to unite and come together in the general election solely for the purpose of electing their candidate, even though half of those voting for that person did not like them. Whether or not they can still do that remains to be seen. If they can, then whoever the candidate is will give Trump a run for the money. On the other hand, if the Democrats have become so hopelessly split and divided, and I hope they have, then they may indeed self-destruct and become so fragmented that they can't win on a national level. However, I think that still remains to be seen, and I don't call that being pessimistic, just waiting to pass judgment.

Trump now has the power of incumbency. Incumbent Presidents always get re-elecgted in a good economy. How is Hillary going to go to WI or OH and talk about jobs? How is she going to go to WV and talk about shutting coal back down and the railroads?
The Dem Party is split between the ultra far Left and traditional NE Liberal Left. HRC is too moderate for the Bernie/Liz faction, and Bloomberg is all about Gun Control and the Nanny State. The Dems have a moderate to run in Biden who has name recognition, and is failing.
In the end, the Dems are doomed with any candidate, Hillary, Bernie, or any of the others.