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For $600.00 buy this one:

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-chf-mid-length-rifle-kit.html

Then throw in a stripped lower for $50.00, and you are right at your 650.00


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Originally Posted by Heavybullets
I recently bought a PSA 6.5 Grendel complete assembled 12" pistol with adjustable brace and I can't tell you how impressed I was with the fit and finish. I've bought RRA, DPMS ect. complete rifles before at much higher cost that didn't come close. I'm sure you can find a complete rifle in your budget from them. They often have sales that are un beatable by the much larger shops. They say they produce rifles for the working man at a price point they can afford and that's an absolutely honest statement . Real quality at a reasonable price! Check them out
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Which one did you go with. That’s what I’m looking to buy or build next for a handy little hog gun to carry on the 4-wheeler around the Ranch. How was the accuracy?

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Funny how guys say ok for everything but defense.
I get the "Buy the best, you are worth it" idea.

But chit breaks or fails, good gun or cheap, guns CAN fail.

Sure, some are built better, and will be more reliable over
A big enough sample to be statically accurate.
The issue is, you only have one. So, is it good or bad?
Can you be absophuckinglutly sure.


Anyway, I have two PSA's Bought because they are...AR15s.

I'm in bed right now, several guns are within a few feet of the
bed, including a PSA gun. Circumstances would dictate what
may be grabbed.
The G19 has been the most grabbed. (Thankfully, never needed)
When there have been noises at night.

Given an extra moment.
I would get that AR.
The fact that it's not "Premium" wouldn't make me choose
a handgun over it.


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If you want to roll your own, my two cents:

Aero lower, Aero no fcg lower parts kit with included Magpul MOE trigger guard and grip, and Aero carbine buffer kit;
Magpul MOE stock;
Rise Armament drop in trigger;
Spikes Tactical gas block and tube;
Ballistic Advantage or Faxon 16" 7 or 8 twist barrel, whichever is on sale the cheapest;
AT3 Tactical Spear upper and handguard combo;
Combat Armory generic charging handle;
KM Tactical bcg.

Should be right at 650 bucks. Spend an extra 25 and get a possibly better quality bcg at Right to Bear. Should be a good solid rifle either way. Save up for optic of your choice and mount, and an ASC stainless steel mag. Add a cheap flash hider or thread protector from whoever has them for ten bucks or less.

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Originally Posted by TWR
Dre, would you stake a contest hunt or trust your life on it?

I see guys shoot pistol competitions with high dollar custom guns and others who choose fake Chinese C-More red dots. How serious are you about it? Maybe that's a better question.


I’m under 600 dollars serious.
Was the question About building the best money can buy or budget AR?


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Originally Posted by CaptArab
The thing about ARs (IMO) is that as long as you don't go bottom shelf junk (psa and up is safe), you're going to be 95% of the way to a $3000 gun.

Yea sure, a PSA. is not "just as good" as a daniel defense, noveske, bcm, etc, but those guns that cost 5x as much defiantly aren't 5x better.
This isn't like a smith vs a taurus revolver where spending 40% more gets you twice the gun.

You're certainly not guaranteed any better accuracy out of those high end guns either.

Just be realistic about what your needs are. If you're not kicking down doors or spending time on a two way range, no reason to go top shelf IMO.
Just get a decent barrel, bolt carrier group, and that larue trigger, and you'll be set.

Also, if we were truly in TEOTWAWKI kinda deal, I'd much rather spend 3k on 6 PSAs for the homestead and loved ones, than spend that cash on one top shelf gun.

Optics, OTOH, are a bit different story. You get what you pay for (except for with SWFA, then you get way more than what you pay for :)).

Do put it together yourself, or at least buy assembled upper and lowers.
That saves the manufacturer on taxes, which translates to money in your pocket.



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Originally Posted by Dre
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Dre, would you stake a contest hunt or trust your life on it?

I see guys shoot pistol competitions with high dollar custom guns and others who choose fake Chinese C-More red dots. How serious are you about it? Maybe that's a better question.


I’m under 600 dollars serious.
Was the question About building the best money can buy or budget AR?


I'm taking that as a "no" then.

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I’m a believer in PSA. I’ve read bad reviews about they’re customer service but personally never experienced anything bad. Fast shipping and good products.
I’ve owned three of they’re rifles, still have two of them. For the price of buying an upper and lower separately and just pinning it together they’re hard to beat. And if you went the lower parts kit way it’s even cheaper. And they have good sales on items every day.
It’s all the accessories you’ll want for it that get expensive.
The two I still have were both under $530 out the door. And you can get cheaper models than mine.
Problem is now I have around $1200 wrapped up in each rifle, not complaining just saying it gets out of hand. Lol

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My previous comment is a good option but you also have to consider the pride and fun factor. Building your own AR is a blast plus if anything ever fails you know how to take it apart and fix it. You can very easily build for under $650. My local gun shop sells stripped mil-spec lowers for $50.

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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
I wish you guys would clarify what you mean by “it’ll do 95% of a more expensive gun” or “its 95% of the more expensive gun”. AND let everyone know what sample size of high quality and budget guns you’re basing that off of.

95% of the accuracy? Or 95% of the features? Or 95% as reliable?

Let’s put 95% reliability in perspective.
In my opinion and experience firing 1,000 trouble free rounds from an AR should be a given. A gun that is 95% as reliable would have had 50 malfunctions in those 1000 rounds. FIFTY. Load up 33 magazines and every single one of them could have a malfunction. 17 of them would have two malfunctions. That’s not worth saving $300. That gun is trash.

Or is it that if BCM builds 100 quality rifles, PSA will build 95 good guns and 5 that are garbage? Which is more likely the case IME.



I understand that if you’ve only got $650 to spend then that’s all you’ve got. And adding $300 to that $650 just isn’t doable. I get it. I’ve been there. The solution is to acknowledge the potential limitations of what you’re buying and accepting that you might need to cross “and defensive use” off your list of uses.


I am not an expert nor do I pretend to be one on the internet. Since 1974 or 75 starting with an SP-1 I have fired these weapons. In all that time I can remember 1 failure which was from a cartridge I loaded without a primer. I had a bushmaster where they put the barrel on wrong but it fired fine, I dumped it. Had an Anderson lower that had to have KNS pins as they had probably drilled the holes .002 or so over. Where I spend money is barrel, bcg, trigger, forearm, stock, lower parts kit. I am not sure the actual lower matters that much, but the parts you use do. There is some range in Las Vegas that discusses how long their weapons last. I don’t think 5000 rounds is considered adequate. Secondly if you buy a gun that has the components built to last 10,000 rounds your a lot more likely to get 2000 trouble free rounds out of it than one built to last 5000.


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In my experience, my lower priced stuff does work fine. The finishes on the metal (nitride) doesn't seem as nice as my Colt/ BCM/Bushy/FN products with phosphate exterior, and chrome-lined bore and bolt carriers.

I've never had any of the true high-end custom stuff like Noveske, etc. So no comparisons there.

I believe if you get a budget gun, most times, it will work just fine. But the rate of factory returns is likely to be higher due to less attention to detail in QC. A place like PSA is churning out thousands of units per month, so it stands to reason there are more units being returned.

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Look for a used PSA mid-length 7 twist 5.56/223.


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I'd buy a basic no frills machine from a reputable company that's been around awhile. Concentrate on barrel & bolt carrier quality. A good trigger if money is left over. Windham, Rock River come to mind unless news is they have really started screwing up. Companies like these built 10's of thousands of AR's before 90% of most all the other companies were ever started..

Ruger? Really? hope they're getting better, but still just a small sideline for them, not the main course like with some companies. Lots of startup probs. with their gas gun in the beginning, like, how do screw up an AR. Ruger did.

All the forearms, grips, whizbang stocks, etc. might be helpful, but when you get right down to it, that stuff in just streamers, reflectors & baseball cards in the spokes.

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A properly built budget gun is just as good as a high dollar piece.


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For a built rifle, Ruger has made improvements to their AR line with the AR-556 MPR (#8514). It has the 18" barrel, two stage trigger and is a good entry AR. Available now for $550-$600+, it's considered a bargain for what you get. Don't wait til Bloomberg or Bernie gets the Dem nomination, buy now.

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Originally Posted by Tyrone
A properly built budget gun is just as good as a high dollar piece.


What constitutes “properly built”?


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Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
Originally Posted by Tyrone
A properly built budget gun is just as good as a high dollar piece.


What constitutes “properly built”?


To me it means serviceable parts, assembled correctly.

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Originally Posted by auk1124
If you want to roll your own, my two cents:

Aero lower, Aero no fcg lower parts kit with included Magpul MOE trigger guard and grip, and Aero carbine buffer kit;
Magpul MOE stock;
Rise Armament drop in trigger;
Spikes Tactical gas block and tube;
Ballistic Advantage or Faxon 16" 7 or 8 twist barrel, whichever is on sale the cheapest;
AT3 Tactical Spear upper and handguard combo;
Combat Armory generic charging handle;
KM Tactical bcg.

Should be right at 650 bucks. Spend an extra 25 and get a possibly better quality bcg at Right to Bear. Should be a good solid rifle either way. Save up for optic of your choice and mount, and an ASC stainless steel mag. Add a cheap flash hider or thread protector from whoever has them for ten bucks or less.




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If I were you I’d buy the Stag 15 I have listed in classifieds. Just sayin. It’s brand new and $600

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