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Glad you pointed that out. No need to clutter the book up with that.


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No one wants to look at my pile of junky 99s so I can't help with pictures. However, thank you so much for starting on this endeavor, I'm excited to be able to buy a copy!

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Originally Posted by Malcolm
Deerstalker I've been thinking this for awhile ; David should include your checkering instructions at some place in his book even if it was in the appendix. " A chapter on checkering " for the kids of us who would like to give it a try. Might increase sales too !

If you kids want to try checkering do it. If I can do it and have people that aren't blind accept it anybody can do it.
If you really want to try it ,i have at least 6 and maybe 8 sets of 18 lpi cutters and I would count it a blessing to share.
Start with 16 lpi or 18 ,get the process down then try the tighter patterns.
Last cutting I did for pay was on a win pre 64 , restock for Bob Peterson of Peterson publishing. That was 22 lpi. What a pain with fluer d lis pattern.

Don't know what instructions I could give that you can't get out of Monte Kennedy's book. Mostly I just criticize anymore!😇😇


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that is hands down the nicest checkering I have ever seen on a 99!
not one over run and just a few uneven diamonds! God that makes me want to get out my cutters and a piece of walnut!


The closer I look at this rifle the nicer it gets. I can't imagine doing that level of woodworking.

Roy who did that work? Doo you know? If you compare it to even the pics of the Shah/Prince's it stands out. A master's hand!


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Originally Posted by deerstalker
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that is hands down the nicest checkering I have ever seen on a 99!
not one over run and just a few uneven diamonds! God that makes me want to get out my cutters and a piece of walnut!


The closer I look at this rifle the nicer it gets. I can't imagine doing that level of woodworking.

Roy who did that work? Doo you know? If you compare it to even the pics of the Shah/Prince's it stands out. A master's hand!


I don't know but the rifle was not a bargain basement purchase.


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Originally Posted by deerstalker
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Deerstalker I've been thinking this for awhile ; David should include your checkering instructions at some place in his book even if it was in the appendix. " A chapter on checkering " for the kids of us who would like to give it a try. Might increase sales too !

If you kids want to try checkering do it. If I can do it and have people that aren't blind accept it anybody can do it.
If you really want to try it ,i have at least 6 and maybe 8 sets of 18 lpi cutters and I would count it a blessing to share.
Start with 16 lpi or 18 ,get the process down then try the tighter patterns.
Last cutting I did for pay was on a win pre 64 , restock for Bob Peterson of Peterson publishing. That was 22 lpi. What a pain with fluer d lis pattern.

Don't know what instructions I could give that you can't get out of Monte Kennedy's book. Mostly I just criticize anymore!😇😇


Thanx DS . I'll try it someday with some of my cutting tools according to your suggestions. All shows are cancelled in B.C.

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Originally Posted by ctw
The customs get me exited there are many pure collectors turn from but are works of art.

The Pig Rifle deserves a spot.


Thanks ctw, I am impressed


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Did ya know?.........

Enoch Tue, Savage engraver (1866-1927) (pronounced Tew) spent his formative years in the Milton Keynes region of England which includes Wolverton.

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1881 Census puts father William, son William, 16 and son Enoch, 14 all working at the Wolverton Rail Works. Wolverton Works
father William was a "raily coach trimmer", born in Newcastle
son William was a "raily coach painter", born in Openshaw
son Enoch was a "raily (I can't read this word), born in Openshaw
son James was "scholar" (in school), born in New Bradwell

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Originally Posted by Southern_WI_Savage
Did ya know?.........

Enoch Tue, Savage engraver (1866-1927) (pronounced Tew) spent his formative years in the Milton Keynes region of England which includes Wolverton.

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1881 Census puts father William, son William, 16 and son Enoch, 14 all working at the Wolverton Rail Works. Wolverton Works
father William was a "raily coach trimmer", born in Newcastle
son William was a "raily coach painter", born in Openshaw
son Enoch was a "raily (I can't read this word), born in Openshaw
son James was "scholar" (in school), born in New Bradwell

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Looking at the map
Strangely enough I have an FT Baker patent ejector NP SXS shotgun (back action) circa 1895. (cased with all the bits). Works nicely!

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I can only drool on the keyboard with the photographs shown above. I will take a low number book if I can still swing it when it comes out. What hoops do I go through today for a copy of the first book? Thanks and Be Well, Rustyzipper.


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If you mean a copy of the current book send me a check for $60 to: David Royal, p.o. box 1271, Pinedale, Wy., 82941. Tell me how you want it inscribed.
It's too early to make any promises about the engraving book.

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Things aren't moving much due to the CRISIS! Publisher can't answer my questions because they are reconfiguring to work remotely. Travel plans are on hold. However I have gotten some good information and photos from people here on the forum. Keep them coming guys. I may have to write this thing without leaving home huddled in my darkened cave.


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This is where Enoch Tue was schooled in hand engraving in the early 1880's.
Wolverton is near New Bradwell where the Tue's lived.
About midway between London and Birmingham.

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It was known as The Church Institute in this 1864 sketch.
Can see the large building in the background.

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Shifting gears to William H. Gough...
A prolific master engraver who worked in Meriden, Conn./Parker Bros., Philadelphia/A.H. Fox & Utica/Savage Arms for the most part all the while having private shops in Philadelphia and Utica where he engraved for many other gun manufacturers.
Analysis of the Gough family tree & timeline show that engraving was a family affair as many of the early engravers.
Gough's father, two brothers and a son all engraved at the afore mentioned companies/cities and sometimes together.
In addition to 99K's for Savage Gough was commissioned for numbers of other specially engraved guns for the Prince of Iran, King Farouk/Egypt, President Huerto/Mexico, Ty Cobb and others.
It would appear that William, brother Harold and son Alfred all may have had a hand on 99K's as Savage employees & thus some variations in technique.
(a works in progress..)

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Great job. Very interesting.


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Great! Anyone know where Prince of Iran, King Farouk, President Huerto and Ty Cobb 99's are now?


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~1916 William Gough was an accomplished trap shooter in Philadelphia as was his 16 yr. old daughter Leaphy.

In addition to engraving in his Utica shop he handled jewelry and watch repairs as well. Sounds typical for that kind of shop.


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Originally Posted by wyo1895
Great! Anyone know where Prince of Iran, King Farouk, President Huerto and Ty Cobb 99's are now?

The Prince of Iran's was a 99K
King Farouk was a 99, not sure of model yet.
Heurto's was a Colt Model 1902 (have a few pics)
Ty Cobb? Still working on it....


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Ty Cobb was presented with a A.H. Fox shotgun. Grade unknown.
This would have been from Gough's work at Fox in Philadelphia.
A review of Cobb's stats shows he was the greatest baseball player of all time.
No wonder he was presented the shotgun at home plate!

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