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Washington state now has 17 dead.
Quoting from the attached AP news release

"Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, this week warned U.S. lawmakers against minimizing the viruses risk for vulnerable people. During a Congressional hearing, he said the coronavirus “is like the angel of death for older individuals.”"

https://apnews.com/921ad7f1f08d7634bf681ba785faf269

White House didn’t want to tell seniors not to fly

NEW YORK (AP) — The White House overruled health officials who wanted to recommend that elderly and physically fragile Americans be advised not to fly on commercial airlines because of the new coronavirus, a federal official told The Associated Press.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention submitted the plan this week as a way of trying to control the virus, but White House officials ordered the air travel recommendation be removed, said the official who had direct knowledge of the plan. Trump administration officials have since suggested certain people should consider not traveling, but they have stopped short of the stronger guidance sought by the CDC.


The person who spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity did not have authorization to talk about the matter. The person did not have direct knowledge about why the decision to kill the language was made.

In a tweet, the press secretary for Vice President Mike Pence, Katie Miller, said that “it was never a recommendation to the Task Force” and called the AP story “complete fiction.”

On Friday, the CDC quietly updated its website to tell older adults and people with severe medical conditions such as heart, lung or kidney disease to “stay home as much as possible” and avoid crowds. It urges those people to “take actions to reduce your risk of exposure,” but it doesn’t specifically address flying.

Pence, speaking Saturday after meeting with cruise ship industry leaders in Florida, targeted his travel advice to a narrower group: older people with serious health problems.

“If you’re a senior citizen with a serious underlying health condition, this would be a good time to practice common sense and to avoid activities including traveling on a cruise line,” Pence said, adding they were looking to cruise line officials for action, guidance and flexibility with those passengers.

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar suggested older Americans and those with health problems should avoid crowds “especially in poorly ventilated spaces.”

For most people, the flu-like viral illness causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. But — like the flu — it can cause pneumonia and be much more lethal to people made frail by old age and by conditions that make it harder for their bodies to fight infections.

Dr. Peter Hotez, dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, this week warned U.S. lawmakers against minimizing the viruses risk for vulnerable people. During a Congressional hearing, he said the coronavirus “is like the angel of death for older individuals.”

Some experts this week said clearer and louder guidance should be made to vulnerable people, so they take every possible step to avoid settings where they might more easily become infected.


“The clear message to people who fit into those categories is; ‘You ought to become a semi-hermit. You’ve got to really get serious in your personal life about social distancing, and in particular avoiding crowds of any kind,’” said Dr. William Schaffner, a Vanderbilt University expert on infectious diseases.

That can include not only avoiding essential commercial travel but also large church services and crowded restaurants, he added.

Dr. Tom Frieden, a former CDC director, said whether to recommend the frail and elderly avoid air travel is “a difficult question,” but clearly this is a time when such conversations should be taking place.

“At this point the risk in the U.S. remains low, but we are seeing it spread rapidly. We are going from the calm before the storm to the beginning of the storm,” said Frieden, who now heads Resolve to Save Lives, an organization promoting global public health.

The new virus is a member of the coronavirus family that can cause colds or more serious illnesses such as SARS and MERS. Health officials think it spreads mainly from droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how the flu spreads.

The virus first emerged late last year in mainland China, but this year has increasingly been spreading around the world. More than 100,000 illnesses have been reported globally, in more than 90 countries and territories. the count includes more than 3,500 deaths.

For weeks, cases in the U.S. remained very low, but the count has been accelerating in the last several days.

President Donald Trump visited the CDC in Atlanta on Friday, where he defended his administration’s handling of the outbreak and tried to reassure Americans that the government had the virus under control. But Trump also detoured from that message, calling Washington state’s governor a “snake” and saying he’d prefer that people exposed to the virus on a cruise ship be left aboard so they wouldn’t be added to the nation’s tally.

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Associated Press writers Lynn Berry in Washington and Kelli Kennedy in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, contributed to this report.

geez, gonna be quiet around here in a little while....

LMFAO 🤣😎

This could permanently silence the 24HCF!

CPAC Attendee Has the Coronavirus, Officials Say

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/coronavirus-cpac.html

An attendee of a conservative conference where President Trump and Vice President Mike Pence spoke last week has tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the event’s organizer.

The organizer, the American Conservative Union, which hosts the annual Conservative Political Action Conference outside Washington, D.C., said the attendee was exposed to the virus before the four-day event and tested positive for it on Saturday.

“This attendee had no interaction with the president or the vice president and never attended the events in the main hall,” the group said in a statement. “The Trump administration is aware of the situation, and we will continue regular communication with all appropriate government officials.”

The attendee has been quarantined in New Jersey, the statement said.

Mr. Trump said on Saturday that he was not worried that the infections seemed to be getting closer to the White House.


“No, I’m not concerned at all, no,” he told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida, where he was spending the weekend.

He said he had no plans to curtail his campaign rallies even though other large gatherings of people were being canceled across the country.

“We’re going to have tremendous rallies,” he said.

Praising health officials for a “fantastic job,” he added, “We’ve had tremendous cooperation with other countries and all over the world and we’ve made it very, very tough, very strong, stringent borders.”

Stephanie Grisham, the White House press secretary, said in a statement that there was “no indication that either President Trump or Vice President Pence met with or were in close proximity to the attendee.”

“The president’s physician and United States Secret Service have been working closely with White House staff and various agencies to ensure every precaution is taken to keep the first family and the entire White House complex safe and healthy,” Ms. Grisham said.


Others who spoke at the conference included Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao and Labor Secretary Eugene Scalia. Also in attendance were Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and adviser, and Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son.

Gov. Larry Hogan of Maryland said in a statement that state health officials were informed by the New Jersey Department of Health that the person who tested positive for the virus was in Maryland from Feb. 27 to March 1, attending the conference in National Harbor.

The statement said those who attended or worked at the conference “may be at some risk” for contracting the virus.

“Due to the scale of this conference, we are urging attendees who are experiencing flulike symptoms to immediately reach out to their health care provider,” Mr. Hogan said.

The American Conservative Union said the event drew thousands.

The group’s chairman, Matt Schlapp, said he had had “incidental interaction with the person,” and added, “I feel bad for my friend who is in the hospital.”

“We’ve talked to him,” Mr. Schlapp said. “He sounds very good.”

At the conference, Mr. Trump gave his administration good grades for its handling of the coronavirus outbreak, while his acting chief of staff at the time, Mick Mulvaney, said in a separate speech that journalists were hyping the coronavirus because “they think this will bring down the president.”

Mr. Mulvaney also minimized concerns over the virus.

“The flu kills people,” he said. “This is not Ebola. It’s not SARS, it’s not MERS. It’s not a death sentence; it’s not the same as the Ebola crisis.”

Founded in 1974, CPAC was for years a major gathering where libertarians and establishment Republicans mingled with fringe conservative activists. This year, the theme of the conference was “America vs. Socialism,” and it turned into a stage for Mr. Trump and his top advisers and allies to fire up his base and market-test messages for the 2020 presidential election.

Republicans who have broken with the president and his agenda, like Senator Mitt Romney of Utah, were disinvited from the conference, and the mention of Mr. Romney’s name by one conservative speaker elicited boos from the audience.

Peter Baker and Annie Karni contributed reporting.

We're from the government, and we're here to help you......[mic drop]

death knell of the turd-likes

Anyone good at poetry

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what century , after 11th?

Maybe not a new concept.

Traditionally in England of the 60’s and before, pneumonia was known as “the old man’s friend”, ending an increasingly difficult existence.

Ain’t suggesting that would be a good thing today.

My opinion,.....there's a lot more cases than people know about. The person in the next county over that was diagnosed with the Coronavirus had been in the little local hospital for a few days before they decided that it wasn't just the standard flu and decided to test him/her.

Now, many of the hospital staff is at risk.

I've never felt like taking this stuff lightly. But when it moves in next door to you, it gets real.

But it was told by a someone that could not talk about because they probably made it up.

It happens every time those in media want to make folks think that Trump don't care.

Every time.

If you’re a smoker (STOP), have COPD, asthma, immune compromised, you need to become a hermit, and bolt the doors closed. COVID-19 attaches your lungs, and reduces their capacity. If you have no “extra” capacity to fight COVID-19, no machine can help you or makeup for that.

If you’re overweight, you need to stop eating like a pig and immediately start a HFLC diet (lose weight), and start exercising to gain lung capacity, because you will need it when you get it…to survive.

Nursing homes/LTC facilities will have high deaths, because people there are already compromised, and their hygiene and infection rates are already poor in those places.

People with heart conditions, who can’t exercise to have sufficient lung capacity to fight with, need to limit travel in heavy trafficked areas. Go to stores at low capacity times, etc.

They need to shut all schools/colleges now, but they won’t. There’s nobody to care for the kids at home anyway, because the commies offshored middle class jobs and destroyed the value of the dollar, forcing both parents to now work, and single parent homes (50%) can’t just leave work to care for a sick child or teach the child at home, like they could 40-50 years ago when a man (1 income earner) could provide. Kids will get it at school, and spread it to the family (income earner).

Government will stay behind what they should be doing…to keep the stawk market up for the corporations, Oligarchs.

It won’t be as bad as China here, but we’ll feel the economic hit when the supply lines aren’t being filled 100%, and people not making purchases and the quarterly financials start to show it.

I don't see it affecting my lifestyle much. I don't like crowds anyway and avoid crowded areas. My nearest neighbor is a half mile away, as the crow flies; double that if the crow is driving. I'll continue to avoid the city, get plenty of exercise and fresh air and I should be OK. GD

But, but, but................it's just like the common cold, and not any worse than the flu.


At least that's what the fire experts on everything have been telling us.

Common cold and the flu kill old people in greater numbers than this has, particularly amongst the elderly and those already compromised.

Hell, Hillary's killed more than this has...

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think we've seen the tip of the iceberg, so to speak, as far as this virus is concerned. Then, and only then, can it be determined just how deadly it turns out to be. But, I'll guarantee you one thing..........it's a helluva lot more likely to kill you than a cold is.

COVID -19 is a new pathogen. However, American bioscientists and medical professionals have focused on it with impressive intensity.

Not good for the democratic Presidential candidates. I certainly wouldn’t want to shake all those hands.

This.

That's because they are afraid of crashing the economy if folks realize it's 30 times deadlier than the seasonal flu, and nearly that many times more contagious.