"WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing today that the agency is "deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread and severity, and by the alarming levels of inaction” when he said the novel corona virus outbreak is a pandemic."
"...He said in the days and weeks ahead, they expect to see the number of cases and deaths "climb even higher," and expressed concern over the levels of "inaction" in some countries."
I won't be applying for any draw hunts out of state nor will I be traveling any time soon. I have cancelled my trip to Wyoming and my hunt in New Mexico this year.
Stock market will continue to tank too as we head towards another recession.
Not only that, but the death rate may be even higher in the U.S. : "CDC director says some coronavirus-related deaths have been found posthumously."
"Rep. Harley Rouda asked CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield if it’s possible that some flu patients may have been misdiagnosed and actually had coronavirus.
The doctor replied that “some cases have actually been diagnosed that way in the United States today.” "
As most wildlife are hosts to numerous diseases that are transferred to ticks and mosquitoes...not too worried about contracting Coronavirus in the outdoors...
Don't ask me about my military service or heroic acts...most of it is untrue.
Yes, I will go elk hunting at the Colorado ranch this season!!
And looking forward to it!!!
Founder Ancient Order of the 1895 Winchester
"Come, shall we go and kill us venison? And yet it irks me the poor dappled fools, Being native burghers of this desert city, Should in their own confines with forked heads Have their round haunches gored."
It's more a risk assessment: if you are over 50 yrs old, especially over 60 yrs old, you are at significantly higher risk of severe complications or death. Significantly higher risk vs influenza according to both the CDC and WHO. Exposure while in transit then maybe getting sick while out of state is also a factor for some.
Also, not everyone has great health insurance nor are hospitals equipped to handle this crisis.
Plus, for those of us that need to fly, there are already travel restrictions in effect, potential quarantines like those in New York and reduced flights.
The U.S. economy and oil prices are tanking. There will be major layoffs and JOB CUTS have already started in the travel and oil business. Some people work for a living and can't afford this risk nor uncertainty.
Haven’t even gave it a thought. Matter of fact after the ol old lady showed me round trip air fare to Hawaii last night I’m trying to figure out how to get the time off to roll back down there right directly!! 😂😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I'm going moose hunting in Newfoundland. I figure I have a better chance of getting hit in the dome by a meteor than getting the COVID thing. Canadian Lefty has some sort of agenda with this subject. He's all over the raghead forum spreading the same "news" and prophecies. Take him with a grain of salt would be my advice.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I am in one of the outbreak clusters. It's not business as usual. My only agenda is to inform people of the reality of this situation and what might be coming down the pike.
I'm going moose hunting in Newfoundland. I figure I have a better chance of getting hit in the dome by a meteor than getting the COVID thing. Canadian Lefty has some sort of agenda with this subject. He's all over the raghead forum spreading the same "news" and prophecies. Take him with a grain of salt would be my advice.
I'd think it would be ~the same likely hood as catching the flu? They're passed in about the same way. It does seem like COVID is transmitted by people before they have symptoms so that would make it a good bit more likely to be caught than the flu. ....at any rate, I think it's a little higher than the meteor chance....grin...
Agreed, after more research, folks need to sit this year out for the welfare of mankind!! Montana and Idaho especially!!😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Stay out of New Mexico, and dont travel around in the state. Stay home. Don't waste your money on the draw. You oil field hands will need all the money you have to survive the doom and gloom. Because of the climate here, the virus will run rampant, and many will die, so don't come here, and those resident, put in for close to home.
Do not put in for draws in New Mexico, you will get the virus, and die, if you come here.
Stay out of New Mexico, and dont travel around in the state. Stay home. Don't waste your money on the draw. You oil field hands will need all the money you have to survive the doom and gloom. Because of the climate here, the virus will run rampant, and many will die, so don't come here, and those resident, put in for close to home.
Do not put in for draws in New Mexico, you will get the virus, and die, if you come here.
You have been warned.
It's the same here in Colorado. Virus everywhere, no elk left anywhere. I hear Kentucky is good.
Today I will be booking my flights for a northern BC hunt this fall.
Going to stop by and visit Canadian lefty?😈😈😈
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the consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded. Robert E Lee ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
Many of you are not taking this seriously. This is of huge concern and one of the points that the General Director for the World Health Organization (WHO) made in his last address.
If you are young, your parents are at risk, if you are very young, your grandparents are at risk, if you are over 50 or worse, over 60+, you are at significant risk of complications or severe virus, even death.
We are in one of the community spread outbreak clusters. There was a proclamation of local emergency. Effective immediately, city facilities will be closed to the public, with the exception of senior services and childcare centers, which will close at the end of business, Friday, March 13. Schools will close next. Almost all companies are closed and people work from home now, if they can. Some have lost their jobs.
The health officer said that our county "does not currently have testing available independently of the state and CDC. The amount of testing that is available through the state and CDC is severely limited." In other words, they can't even test fast enough to identify the people and slow the spread.
This situation is going to spread city to city and county to county;hence the Pandemic designation by the WHO.
Nothing like spreading blind panic. Take safety precautions, but no one knows how bad this will end up being. Remember the Y2K, Zika, West Nile, MERs, etc. Let’s try to slow our roll here.
Lately I have to check daily. But rest assured the sky has not fallen today either.
I CANNOT understand the fear. I mean heck we all die at some point too. WTF. Its not a big deal. We have NO clue what day we are to die, so even without this thing you may not live another day anyway.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
I’m taking the, draw every tag I can, hunt as much as I can approach, again. 🤣🤣
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I sure don't want to die curled up on the couch. Damn highways are more dangerous than this virus. Besides, I'm almost 78 years old so it's too late for me to die young.
Besides, I'm almost 78 years old so it's too late for me to die young.
That's potentially irresponsible if you don't follow guidelines that might endanger others who might not want to die at their age. While we don't want people to panic, we cannot disregard that COVID-19 has reached "PANDEMIC" stage as defined by the World Health Organization (WHO).
As important, the CDC has asked that " Older adults" or "People who have serious chronic medical conditions like: Heart disease, Diabetes, Lung disease" etc. Avoid cruise travel and non-essential air travel.Source: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Department of Health and Human Services, USA.Gov.
As I had mentioned, if you are considering flying from out of state, you might need to reconsider. You also might have to consider what LOCAL travel restrictions might be in place where you are potentially going.
For me, there is still too much uncertainty and so I will follow current CDC guidelines until I hear otherwise.
Apply. The woods, away from people, might be the safest place to be. If you've already died by the time your hunt comes around, your preference points won't do you much good.
Tom
Anyone who thinks there's two sides to everything hasn't met a M�bius strip.
Staying in TX but the virus has nothing to do with it. I just have an issue of having to buy a "qualifying" license just to apply for a preference point in my native state of CO. I have no use for the small game license and see it as a way to just get an addition $80 bucks out of me. I was a CO resident for more than 50 years but doubt I ever hunt it again.
You get out of life what you are willing to accept. If you ain't happy, do something about it!
The Coronavirus won't have any effect on my decision. I expect it to be a memory by this Fall and even if it is still a thing I'd much rather be out in the woods than around large crowds of people. In fact I'm planning a camping trip next week.
Most people don't really want the truth.
They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
splattermatic, I thought that you were being flippant about the situation.
BUT- My New Mexico outfitter just told me that I was smart to cancel- he just got news that Covid-19 is now in New Mexico and that ALL public schools have been cancelled by the New Mexico Public Education Department. There are apparently more cases being tested and it's no longer a matter of if things are going to get bad there but how serious will Coronavirus continue to spread throughout New Mexico.
Originally Posted by splattermatic
We have THE VIRUS now in NM ! Stay away. Do not apply for anything here.
LOTS of natives who live out on the Rez with poor living conditions, little to no hygiene, and no vaccinations to common health hazards, will spread it quickly at road side food stands, or clan get togethers, etc. Let's not bring up the local drunks....
Have to admit I am pretty ashamed of the completely irrational behavior being displayed regarding this situation. We are surrounded by a sea of puzzies who engulf whatever the msm/deepstate/socialist party puts out. So much for rugged individualism. Fugging sheeple.
Hopefully we can use this craziness to bring back pharma production to the US vs outsourcing to our enemies. Bad model.
Wash your hands, don't cough on people, live your life.
Yes. Virus should be gone by hunting season. Can't stay locked up forever
Oh I'm sure it will be gone by hunting season. Even though the Swine Flu of 1918 is still with us there's no reason to think Covid 19 won't magically vanish. LMAO.
Yes. Virus PANIC should be gone by hunting season. Can't stay locked up forever
Oh I'm sure it will be gone by hunting season. Even though the Swine Flu of 1918 is still with us there's no reason to think Covid 19 won't magically vanish. LMAO.
If people in the U.S. are in danger of dying from COVID19, think about how much greater the danger will be to people in third world countries.
I think that the Feds should put the NYSE on vacation until we have a better handle on COVID19, otherwise fear of the unknown may drive the economy into the next great depression.
There are nearly 330,000,000 U.S. citizens. If 0.0001% die from COVID19, that is only 33,000, about the same number of people who die in motor vehicle accidents annually. The odds of dying from COVID19 seem slim to me, but I have health insurance if I get sick and life insurance to take care of my family if I was among the small number who will die via COVID19.
I might alter my road trip habits and stay out of restaurants etc and away from people contact as much as possible. Maybe bring all our food from home so we don’t have to shop with the squandering herds in town, but hunting is lower risk of CV than going to the store to hoard toilet paper.
Life Member NRA, RMEF, American Legion, MAGA. Not necessarily in that order.
There are nearly 330,000,000 U.S. citizens. If 0.0001% die from COVID19, that is only 33,000, about the same number of people who die in motor vehicle accidents annually. The odds of dying from COVID19 seem slim to me, ....
Your numbers are false and hypothetical. There is no data to back up your ''if" guess.
The CDC and WHO are both reporting mortality rates in the 2-3% overall for those that are infected (higher for those much older, up to 15% mortality rate, and lower for those younger). Using their numbers, that's over 8,000,000 deaths using your base of approx. 330,000,000 citizens.. A Leaked U.S. Government Document is pointing to 90,000,000+ U.S. infections and deaths of 450,000+ U.S. citizens instead, but in both cases this is catastrophic for the families involved and the effect it will have on the U. S. economy and on the world.
Heck, Trump just declared a "National Emergency".
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DR. GOTTLIEB (former FDA commissioner): -- South Korea and China. Remember, when you look at the South Korea data, the case fatality rate in South Korea right now is 0.6. But the time to death is three to six weeks. And most of the cases were diagnosed in the last 10 days. Time to hospitalization is nine to twelve days. So, most of these people in South Korea haven't worked through the severe stages of this- of this disease. The case fatality rate will go up. And I'll- one more point, you have to make a distinction between the case fatality rate and the infection fatality rate. We talk in medicine about the case fatality rate: how many people who get the disease will die? Some people are talking about the infection fatality rate. How many people who get the infection will die? That's not what we focus on in medicine because we know that some people will get the infection but not be symptomatic. We typically don't count those. We count people who get the disease. And for that, the case fatality rate probably- it might not reach one percent in our system, but it might get close to that. It's not 0.1. And that's the seasonal flu. And it's not .05 and that's a mild flu season.
That's potentially 10x to 20x the death rate of the flu.
There are nearly 330,000,000 U.S. citizens. If 0.0001% die from COVID19, that is only 33,000, about the same number of people who die in motor vehicle accidents annually. The odds of dying from COVID19 seem slim to me, ....
Your numbers are false and hypothetical. There is no data to back up your ''if" guess.
The CDC and WHO are both reporting mortality rates in the 2-3% overall for those that are infected (higher for those much older, up to 15% mortality rate, and lower for those younger). Using their numbers, that's over 8,000,000 deaths using your base of approx. 330,000,000 citizens.. A Leaked U.S. Government Document is pointing to 90,000,000+ U.S. infections and deaths of 450,000+ U.S. citizens instead, but in both cases this is catastrophic for the families involved and the effect it will have on the U. S. economy and on the world.
Heck, Trump just declared a "National Emergency".
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DR. GOTTLIEB (former FDA commissioner): -- South Korea and China. Remember, when you look at the South Korea data, the case fatality rate in South Korea right now is 0.6. But the time to death is three to six weeks. And most of the cases were diagnosed in the last 10 days. Time to hospitalization is nine to twelve days. So, most of these people in South Korea haven't worked through the severe stages of this- of this disease. The case fatality rate will go up. And I'll- one more point, you have to make a distinction between the case fatality rate and the infection fatality rate. We talk in medicine about the case fatality rate: how many people who get the disease will die? Some people are talking about the infection fatality rate. How many people who get the infection will die? That's not what we focus on in medicine because we know that some people will get the infection but not be symptomatic. We typically don't count those. We count people who get the disease. And for that, the case fatality rate probably- it might not reach one percent in our system, but it might get close to that. It's not 0.1. And that's the seasonal flu. And it's not .05 and that's a mild flu season.
That's potentially 10x to 20x the death rate of the flu.
There are nearly 330,000,000 U.S. citizens. If 0.0001% die from COVID19, that is only 33,000, about the same number of people who die in motor vehicle accidents annually. The odds of dying from COVID19 seem slim to me, ....
Your numbers are false and hypothetical. There is no data to back up your ''if" guess.
The CDC and WHO are both reporting mortality rates in the 2-3% overall for those that are infected (higher for those much older, up to 15% mortality rate, and lower for those younger). Using their numbers, that's over 8,000,000 deaths using your base of approx. 330,000,000 citizens.. A Leaked U.S. Government Document is pointing to 90,000,000+ U.S. infections and deaths of 450,000+ U.S. citizens instead, but in both cases this is catastrophic for the families involved and the effect it will have on the U. S. economy and on the world.
Heck, Trump just declared a "National Emergency".
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DR. GOTTLIEB (former FDA commissioner): -- South Korea and China. Remember, when you look at the South Korea data, the case fatality rate in South Korea right now is 0.6. But the time to death is three to six weeks. And most of the cases were diagnosed in the last 10 days. Time to hospitalization is nine to twelve days. So, most of these people in South Korea haven't worked through the severe stages of this- of this disease. The case fatality rate will go up. And I'll- one more point, you have to make a distinction between the case fatality rate and the infection fatality rate. We talk in medicine about the case fatality rate: how many people who get the disease will die? Some people are talking about the infection fatality rate. How many people who get the infection will die? That's not what we focus on in medicine because we know that some people will get the infection but not be symptomatic. We typically don't count those. We count people who get the disease. And for that, the case fatality rate probably- it might not reach one percent in our system, but it might get close to that. It's not 0.1. And that's the seasonal flu. And it's not .05 and that's a mild flu season.
That's potentially 10x to 20x the death rate of the flu.
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
The clock is tickin, huntin season is every year, every year there’s one less.... the only thing I’m concerned about, if I can get into Canada to hunt...
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I'm blaming the yellow man for the red man having to close down their turkey season for the white man. If Hillary had won, this whole thing would have be solved. Now our only hope is for Biden to win the Senate.
I'm blaming the yellow man for the red man having to close down their turkey season for the white man. If Hillary had won, this whole thing would have be solved. Now our only hope is for Biden to win the Senate.
There's no place for that tone at the 'fire, especially amidst a global Pandemic. It simply contributes to hate when we need to come together as a global community.
The new U.S. reality: Huge growth of cases and not enough testing kits are available, so these numbers are lower than actual:
February: Trump said (number of U.S. cases), “the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.” 3/8: 564 cases 3/9: 728 cases 3/10: 1,000 cases 3/11: 1,267 cases 3/12: 1,645 cases 3/13: 2,204 cases 3/14: 2,816 cases (as of 9p) 3/15: 2952 cases (as of 9am); 57 deaths. Next: tens of thousands of confirmed cases... hopefully not more, but hope is not a strategy and the Gov't and individuals have been slow to act...an example here on the 'fire is that most have been in denial for the past several weeks...valuable time to make a difference was lost.
Fox news reporting: “One, it’s brand new so we don’t have any prior experience about what it’s gonna do, what it’s dynamic’s gonna be,” he said. “Numzber 2, it spreads very easily, there’s no doubt about that. It isn’t like some of the other outbreaks that we had that just didn’t adapt itself to spread among humans. And Number 3, it’s very serious in the sense of morbidity and mortality, particularly among – and very heavily weighted -- towards individuals who are more susceptible – the elderly and those with underlying conditions.”
When asked if its contagiousness and lethality are worse than the flu, Fauci emphatically said, “Well yes, I mean it just is, and we’ve gotta face that fact.”
Just what tone is that? Humor? Get a grip. I was at a hospital Friday for a scheduled medical procedure and the doctors and nurses were literally making fun of the stupidity going on. They were joking and laughing out loud at how dumb people were behaving. There advice was just be sanitary but don’t start hoarding stuff and live in fear!!! If want to be a fear monger and hide away then go for it but don’t presume to ever tell me how to live my life you dolt.
We're all gonna die again! Oh no! If we hit 8,000,000 deaths, I'll apologize. If we don't, you should apologize for allowing yourself to be used as a tool and spreading the panic.
Broncos are officially the worst team in the nation this year.
Again, do not panic, but follow CDC and WHO recommendations.
Originally Posted by 280shooter
We're all gonna die again! Oh no! If we hit 8,000,000 deaths, I'll apologize. If we don't, you should apologize for allowing yourself to be used as a tool and spreading the panic.
280shooter, you are taking a number out of context.
What I was referring to was another forum member's logic, simply substituting the most correct (at that point in time, from CDC and WHO) mortality rate and using their base of 330,000,000, which while directionally accurate as to overall population, is fundamentally flawed for this sort of analysis. I then pointed to a business insider leaked Gov't document that pointed to a near worst case scenario of 450,000+ deaths instead.
In any case, my only point, and most importantly that of actual experts, is that Covid-19 is far more deadly than the flu. This, by now, should be obvious.
"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." Niccolo Machiavelli
Canadian Lefty, I'm not trying to diminish your drive to educate us all, but please read below and tell my why there's so much hysteria about COVID and none of the others noted below?
The WHO describes a “pandemic” as “the worldwide spread of a new disease.” By this description, we are witnessing several pandemics today. The WHO estimates that there were 228 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2018, with 405,000 deaths. Almost half the world’s population—about 3.2 billion people—are at risk. The disease kills a child every two minutes. According to Dr. Christian W. McMillen’s excellent introduction to pandemics, cholera is in its seventh pandemic. It has lasted longer than any previous pandemic and shows no sign of easing. Researchers estimate that there are between 1.3 million and 4 million cases a year, with up to 143,000 deaths worldwide. Tuberculosis (TB) might be the oldest human disease, but this pandemic is still with us as well. Due to multidrug-resistant TB, extensively drug-resistant TB, poor infection control, and drug shortages, tuberculosis now kills more people than at any other time in history. And the AIDS pandemic has infected approximately 37.9 million people around the world, with 1.7 million new infections in 2018. According to the WHO, since the beginning of the epidemic, 75 million people have been infected with the HIV virus; about 32 million have died of it.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
Originally posted by JGRaider: CL, what do you think of this data?
The WHO describes a “pandemic” as “the worldwide spread of a new disease.” By this description, we are witnessing several pandemics today. The WHO estimates that there were 228 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2018, with 405,000 deaths. Almost half the world’s population—about 3.2 billion people—are at risk. The disease kills a child every two minutes. According to Dr. Christian W. McMillen’s excellent introduction to pandemics, cholera is in its seventh pandemic. It has lasted longer than any previous pandemic and shows no sign of easing. Researchers estimate that there are between 1.3 million and 4 million cases a year, with up to 143,000 deaths worldwide. Tuberculosis (TB) might be the oldest human disease, but this pandemic is still with us as well. Due to multidrug-resistant TB, extensively drug-resistant TB, poor infection control, and drug shortages, tuberculosis now kills more people than at any other time in history. And the AIDS pandemic has infected approximately 37.9 million people around the world, with 1.7 million new infections in 2018. According to the WHO, since the beginning of the epidemic, 75 million people have been infected with the HIV virus; about 32 million have died of it.
First, I found the source of your quote and I have not fact-checked it.
You are asking me what I think...Data is unemotional, so I'll share two perspectives:
From a humanitarian standpoint, there are targeted efforts (which can use additional funding, talent, resources) for any of the pandemics/epidemic diseases that you mention. Foundations and charities that are lead by some of the world's best and brightest are focused on having a significant impact, despite the challenges. One example is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Donations are important. We try to do our part each year.
My initial hypothesis, based on CDC, WHO and other reports is that Covid-19 is different that the pandemics cited. It is, as you mention, new. There is no vaccine. There are no drug cocktails that dramatically extend life or prevent you from contracting it. Covid-19 is highly contagious and has fewer barriers to transmission. While it's still early, it appears to be as contagious as the flu, maybe more so. There are early case studies that report the virus lasts up to 3 hours airborne and several days on surfaces like plastic, even stainless steel. People die within days, some within weeks. It has the ability to clog the health care system, quickly: see the chart below for this explanation-
Originally posted by JGRaider: CL, what do you think of this data?
The WHO describes a “pandemic” as “the worldwide spread of a new disease.” By this description, we are witnessing several pandemics today. The WHO estimates that there were 228 million cases of malaria worldwide in 2018, with 405,000 deaths. Almost half the world’s population—about 3.2 billion people—are at risk. The disease kills a child every two minutes. According to Dr. Christian W. McMillen’s excellent introduction to pandemics, cholera is in its seventh pandemic. It has lasted longer than any previous pandemic and shows no sign of easing. Researchers estimate that there are between 1.3 million and 4 million cases a year, with up to 143,000 deaths worldwide. Tuberculosis (TB) might be the oldest human disease, but this pandemic is still with us as well. Due to multidrug-resistant TB, extensively drug-resistant TB, poor infection control, and drug shortages, tuberculosis now kills more people than at any other time in history. And the AIDS pandemic has infected approximately 37.9 million people around the world, with 1.7 million new infections in 2018. According to the WHO, since the beginning of the epidemic, 75 million people have been infected with the HIV virus; about 32 million have died of it.
First, I found the source of your quote and I have not fact-checked it.
You are asking me what I think...Data is unemotional, so I'll share two perspectives:
From a humanitarian standpoint, there are targeted efforts (which can use additional funding, talent, resources) for any of the pandemics/epidemic diseases that you mention. Foundations and charities that are lead by some of the world's best and brightest are focused on having a significant impact, despite the challenges. One example is the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. Donations are important. We try to do our part each year.
My initial hypothesis, based on CDC, WHO and other reports is that Covid-19 is different that the pandemics cited. It is, as you mention, new. There is no vaccine. There are no drug cocktails that dramatically extend life or prevent you from contracting it. Covid-19 is highly contagious and has fewer barriers to transmission. While it's still early, it appears to be as contagious as the flu, maybe more so. There are early case studies that report the virus lasts up to 3 hours airborne and several days on surfaces like plastic, even stainless steel. People die within days, some within weeks. It has the ability to clog the health care system, quickly: see the chart below for this explanation-
That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with the fact that these pandemics rage on, without being in the public eye every minute of every day, yet they still kill hundreds of thousands of people every year. Why no hysteria over this?
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
That's all well and good, but has nothing to do with the fact that these pandemics rage on, without being in the public eye every minute of every day, yet they still kill hundreds of thousands of people every year. Why no hysteria over this?
Because of my second paragraph, quoted in part here
Originally Posted by CanadianLefty
.. .Covid-19 is different that the pandemics cited. It is, as you mention, new. There is no vaccine. There are no drug cocktails that dramatically extend life or prevent you from contracting it. Covid-19 is highly contagious and has fewer barriers to transmission. While it's still early, it appears to be as contagious as the flu, maybe more so. There are early case studies that report the virus lasts up to 3 hours airborne and several days on surfaces like plastic, even stainless steel. People die within days, some within weeks. It has the ability to clog the health care system, quickly: see the chart below for this explanation-
The public health advice is unambiguous; the current dramatic disruptions are a necessary reaction to the clear, present and growing danger of Covid-19 for the reasons stated above.
JGRaider: Yes they are very dangerous. Where they are most dangerous is in areas where they do not have adequate treatment facilities. All of the epidemics you mentioned can be treated or prevented to some degree. Covid-19 has no treatment or vaccine, only the symptoms and secondary infections can be treated. Covid-19 is called a novel virus because no one has any immunity to it. Some of the ones you mentioned have been around so long that a certain percentage of the population has some resistance to the infections, not so with Covid-19.
It all comes down to the personal risk factor's that are acceptable to each individual and if there are any complicating factors that increase risk. If you are young and healthy then it is easier to be more cavalier about the various risk factors. When I travel I take all the recommended preventative measures and prophylactic medications and I have still incurred more than my share of odd ailments, fortunately none life threatening.
This is a personal choice but if the preventative measures like social distancing, limiting travel, avoiding close contact and large crowds, are not put into practice then the virus will spread more rampantly. A young person may only get a nasty flu type reaction for 1-2 weeks but during that time they can spread the disease to countless other people at a rate of 2.3 x 2.3 x 2.3.... add infinitum, some of these people will die. Personal choices do affect other people. Your choice your call.
Canadian Lefty was trying to introduce accredited facts rather than biased theory to the thread. You also did as well but with a sort of counter perspective. Panic and denial are equally bad, but denial can fuel the spread of Covid-19 more.
"When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." Niccolo Machiavelli
I'm certainly not into denial by any stretch, but I'm very much against panic and misinformation. I'm also very much against living in fear, and let's face it, the lamestream media has done everything within it's power to take down Trump so the baby murdering party can regain control. Nothing has worked yet but this Covid panic thing may just do it.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
I'm certainly not into denial by any stretch, but I'm very much against panic and misinformation. I'm also very much against living in fear, and let's face it, the lamestream media has done everything within it's power to take down Trump so the baby murdering party can regain control. Nothing has worked yet but this Covid panic thing may just do it.
Will the sheep come to their senses when they're hungry and broke? The virus won't look so bad anymore. Will it be too late?
Nothing like spreading blind panic. Take safety precautions, but no one knows how bad this will end up being. Remember the Y2K, Zika, West Nile, MERs, etc. Let’s try to slow our roll here.
Exactly!
See you in Wyoming, Ralph.
My heart's in the mountains, my heart is not here. My heart's in the mountains, chasing the deer.
I wonder how the draws will be affected in other states...Idaho is now on a lockdown, 'stay at home' order. U.S death toll now surpasses 1,000 from Covid-19: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
I am happy that the DOJ is also taking this seriously: "People intentionally spreading coronavirus could be charged with terrorism, DOJ says".
What still worries me:
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Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House's coronavirus response coordinator, said at a White House press briefing on Friday: "From Italy we're seeing another concerning trend. That the mortality in males seems to be twice in every age group of females."
We get softer and more timid every generation-CL expresses the modern “I’m not safe OMG what is wrong with the world” attitude of our softer more progressive younger generation. I’m sure his grandfather would laugh at his panic & worry.
Thankfully between the cowardly (excuse me I mean cautious) group that are unsure of our medical system or financial well being and the group pissed off by the Colorado money grab I’m hoping to draw deer tags 2 years in a row.
With the Montana draw nearing it's dead line... FW&P reports as of 3/25/20.... Non Resident Big Game combo license sales down 41 percent , Deer combo license down 35 percent , Elk combo license down 37 percent.
With the Montana draw nearing it's dead line... FW&P reports as of 3/25/20.... Non Resident Big Game combo license sales down 41 percent , Deer combo license down 35 percent , Elk combo license down 37 percent.
Interesting, couldn't find on FWP website. Can you link a source?
I am 62 years old. I will hunt this year in my normal hunting locations. Yes they are out of state for me. I will drive, not fly. I will use common sense and take precautions and follow all recommendations. Social distancing, gloves at the gas pump etc. I have N-95 mask's if needed. But I will not stop Hunting.
With the Montana draw nearing it's dead line... FW&P reports as of 3/25/20.... Non Resident Big Game combo license sales down 41 percent , Deer combo license down 35 percent , Elk combo license down 37 percent.
Well shiit, looks like I just wasted $50 for a preference point yesterday. Spent $1219.06 with mfwp yesterday
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Im going to apply for everything I can hoping people are scared to apply and I draw something good (-:
That’s what I’m hoping too. 😂😂
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
I totally get the sentiment that people are soft and stupid for panicking over this. However, there's also a rational side to it. A lot of people are struggling to make ends meet right now, and they'd probably be bad fathers/ husbands/ dads if hunting applications didn't get replaced at the top of their list by other things. Truly, good on them for keeping priorities straight.
That and it helps the odds for guys like me who have nobody who cares about them and spend money on outdoor equipment like Pittman-Robertson is their patron saint.
Heck, in February I was at the Western Hunt Expo and people were saying that this virus was a hoax or that the virus won't spread beyond the 15 or so cases in the U.S. that were under quarantine at the time.
As of Friday evening, the US has at least 100,013 known cases (highest of all the countries in the world- second only, if we believe that they are under-reporting to China) of coronavirus and 1,545 U.S. people (mothers, fathers, grandparents, even a few younger siblings) have died. We're only in March- Again, recall that in early February, we supposedly only had 15 cases and no deaths.
I know that for some of you it's, "not in my backyard, so FU", but I want to point out that the U.S. is all of our backyards, our country, our community. AND if it hasn't reached you yet, great, but it's deeply affecting our community and many others across the U.S.
Stay calm, follow CDC and WHO guidelines and your local Governor and County Health Officer. Help your fellow neighbor.
Heck, in February I was at the Western Hunt Expo and people were saying that this virus was a hoax or that the virus won't spread beyond the 15 or so cases in the U.S. that were under quarantine at the time.
As of Friday evening, the US has at least 100,013 known cases (highest of all the countries in the world- second only, if we believe that they are under-reporting to China) of coronavirus and 1,545 U.S. people (mothers, fathers, grandparents, even a few younger siblings) have died. We're only in March- Again, recall that in early February, we supposedly only had 15 cases and no deaths.
I know that for some of you it's, "not in my backyard, so FU", but I want to point out that the U.S. is all of our backyards, our country, our community. AND if it hasn't reached you yet, great, but it's deeply affecting our community and many others across the U.S.
Stay calm, follow CDC and WHO guidelines and your local Governor and County Health Officer. Help your fellow neighbor.
Best wishes. CL
Dude....
- Greg
Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.
I totally get the sentiment that people are soft and stupid for panicking over this. However, there's also a rational side to it. A lot of people are struggling to make ends meet right now, and they'd probably be bad fathers/ husbands/ dads if hunting applications didn't get replaced at the top of their list by other things. Truly, good on them for keeping priorities straight.
That and it helps the odds for guys like me who have nobody who cares about them and spend money on outdoor equipment like Pittman-Robertson is their patron saint.
Did you not get the memo that no rationale posts are allowed in regards to COVID-19...I can resend the memo
Stuck in airports, Terrorized Sent to meetings, Hypnotized Over-exposed, Commercialized Handle me with Care... -Traveling Wilbury's
I totally get the sentiment that people are soft and stupid for panicking over this. However, there's also a rational side to it. A lot of people are struggling to make ends meet right now, and they'd probably be bad fathers/ husbands/ dads if hunting applications didn't get replaced at the top of their list by other things. Truly, good on them for keeping priorities straight.
That and it helps the odds for guys like me who have nobody who cares about them and spend money on outdoor equipment like Pittman-Robertson is their patron saint.
Did you not get the memo that no rationale posts are allowed in regards to COVID-19...I can resend the memo
The Big Game Commercial Services Board as well as the Alaska Board of Game have had preliminary meetings to disucss the possibility of the spring brown bear/black bear non-resident season being cancelled by emergency order from the Dept of Fish & Game. The Alaska Professional Hunter's Assoc has been in discussion as well to respond to options to extend the hunting permits to the 2021 spring season, push permits back to fall season, and other possibilities. Stay tuned for more information.
Also, Nebraska Game and Parks Commission is suspending the sale of nonresident spring turkey hunting permits in a proactive effort to prevent the potential for the spread of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19).
Other states are likely to follow as the 'shelter in place' order keeps getting extended. My plans for AK are trashed, so I will only hunt in-state at this point.
I think I find out in 2 weeks what I draw in Montana
Ping pong balls for the win. Once you've wrestled everything else in life is easy. Dan Gable I keep my circle small, I’d rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Apart from what is happening in Alaska for spring bear and the Washington state bear closure, Nebraska closure for Turkey, Oregon effectively shut down all national forests. I just found out about this now.
It's being reported on other social media platforms that people are hearing rumors that Colorado may cancel all OTC hunts and likely national forests next but no confirmation- and I've been on hold today with Colorado for over 45 min with 18 people on the line ahead of me and finally just got disconnected.
By Friday, March 27, all 11 national forests in Oregon, as well as the five in Washington, had effectively closed to the public.
Anyone here have a lead on specific states that might be shutting down their seasons? I know Huntinfool had shared some preliminary info, but looks like States are not sharing a lot of detail at this point.
Hawaii cancels spring hunt too. An emerging list of state cancellations...
STATE CANCELS AXIS DEER HUNT DUE TO COVID-19 RISKS (HONOLULU) –The 2020 deer rifle season is being cancelled due to concerns over the spread of COVID-19.
I received an Email from Colo parks and wildlife saying that it is a rumor that is being spread around on social media that Colo. may close down big game seasons and/or national forest.
That's the news for now. In other words, Colo. parks and wildlife wants your money, ALL OF IT!!!
Laws aren't preventative measures. In other words, more laws won't prevent gun crime from happening.
Put in our apps for Colorado a couple days ago. Preference Points for antelope, deer, elk and bear, same for everyone else except for the bear. Second choice was for a Ranching For Wildlife ranch during a late season, which we think we will get based on draw results for previous years.
I'm retiring this summer and plan to hunt two Colorado elk seasons as well as Wyoming antelope. Will apply for a 4th Rifle cow tag in the second draw. If we don't get the RFW late season tag, I'll pick up a leftover cow tag as well, for a season yet to be determined.
Coyote Hunter - NRA Patriot Life, NRA Whittington Center Life, GOA, DAD - and I VOTE!
No, I'm not a Ruger bigot - just an unabashed fan of their revolvers, M77's and #1's.
It's more a risk assessment: if you are over 50 yrs old, especially over 60 yrs old, you are at significantly higher risk of severe complications or death. Significantly higher risk vs influenza according to both the CDC and WHO. Exposure while in transit then maybe getting sick while out of state is also a factor for some.
Also, not everyone has great health insurance nor are hospitals equipped to handle this crisis.
Plus, for those of us that need to fly, there are already travel restrictions in effect, potential quarantines like those in New York and reduced flights.
The U.S. economy and oil prices are tanking. There will be major layoffs and JOB CUTS have already started in the travel and oil business. Some people work for a living and can't afford this risk nor uncertainty.
I don’t know where you came from, but I’m hoping your time here will be brief.
I retired from the Johns Manville asbestos pop tart factory in ‘59, and still never made the connection.—-Slumlord
Except for a Texas hunt to murder piggies I have never hunted out of the state of Misery. It won't have anything to do with the C-19 virus! I am looking at turkey season soon in Misery. Be Well, Rustyzipper.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill.
Except for a Texas hunt to murder piggies I have never hunted out of the state of Misery. It won't have anything to do with the C-19 virus! I am looking at turkey season soon in Misery. Be Well, Rustyzipper.
Hey Rusty----How did you shoot at the Vanzant Spring Grand? Be safe---Bob
